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RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old
December 6, 2013 at 12:03 pm
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(December 5, 2013 at 10:30 pm)orogenicman Wrote: But then, if you measure the signal in the wires hundreds to thousands of times and get the same results, I think it is safe to say that the signal is going to be the same during the experiment. As a check, you run the experiment over and over again. But at some point you have to agree with Einstein that "insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result".
It is Okay to expect that doing the same thing over and over again can lead to different result if you can:
1. Propose a test to detect when the result is different
2. Propose a verifiable underlying mechanism that could cause the result to be difference.
It is pure intellectual dishonesty to assert doing the same thing over and over again will lead to or has led to different result when you:
1. can't propose a test that would show the difference.
2. Can't propose any verifiable underlying mechansim that can account for the difference.
The latter describes the anisotropic light propogation bullshit.
(December 5, 2013 at 10:30 pm)orogenicman Wrote: By the way, an electrical wire propagates electrons, not photons. Yeah, I know, it's a moot point, but still a point.
By quantum theory, flow of electrons in a wire is still facilitated by virtual emission and absorption of photons.
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RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old
December 6, 2013 at 1:59 pm
(December 6, 2013 at 12:03 pm)Chuck Wrote: (December 5, 2013 at 10:30 pm)orogenicman Wrote: But then, if you measure the signal in the wires hundreds to thousands of times and get the same results, I think it is safe to say that the signal is going to be the same during the experiment. As a check, you run the experiment over and over again. But at some point you have to agree with Einstein that "insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result".
It is Okay to expect that doing the same thing over and over again can lead to different result if you can:
1. Propose a test to detect when the result is different
2. Propose a verifiable underlying mechanism that could cause the result to be difference.
It is pure intellectual dishonesty to assert doing the same thing over and over again will lead to or has led to different result when you:
1. can't propose a test that would show the difference.
2. Can't propose any verifiable underlying mechansim that can account for the difference.
The latter describes the anisotropic light propogation bullshit.
(December 5, 2013 at 10:30 pm)orogenicman Wrote: By the way, an electrical wire propagates electrons, not photons. Yeah, I know, it's a moot point, but still a point.
By quantum theory, flow of electrons in a wire is still facilitated by virtual emission and absorption of photons.
I stand corrected.
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December 7, 2013 at 12:28 am
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Quote:The inventors of the automobile did not possess knowledge of future events so that was a fallacious analogy.
As the human inventor of the automobile is not all-knowing and all-powerful, the inventor cannot be blamed for his invention being imperfect. If the entire point of creation was to bring along a guy to fix it, then it was created to be intentionally flawed. Your statement demonstrates what has been obvious to all of us for a long time: Christian salvation is a fraud, a spiritual protection racket.
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December 7, 2013 at 1:18 am
A protection racket is at least an honest racket. The bad things threatend really would be done to yreact you don't submit.
Christianity is even more contemptible. It is a fraudulent racket.
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RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old
December 7, 2013 at 5:01 am
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warped one Wrote:The inventors of the automobile did not possess knowledge of future events so that was a fallacious analogy.
No, what they did was CREATE the future.
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"I think that in the discussion of natural problems we ought to begin not with the scriptures, but with experiments, demonstrations, and observations".
- Galileo Galilei (1564-1642)
"In short, Meyer has shown that his first disastrous book was not a fluke: he is capable of going into any field in which he has no training or research experience and botching it just as badly as he did molecular biology. As I've written before, if you are a complete amateur and don't understand a subject, don't demonstrate the Dunning-Kruger effect by writing a book about it and proving your ignorance to everyone else! "
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RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old
December 7, 2013 at 10:09 am
(December 6, 2013 at 10:19 pm)Statler Waldorf Wrote: I believe they would show the same dilation under either convention because under ASC they are traveling the same distance while under ESC the slower of the two traveling clocks is traveling for a longer period of time than the faster clock thus undergoing a longer period of time dilation.
Clock 1 = 2 hours at 20,000MPH
Clock 2 = 4 hours at 10,000MPH
Using the standard Lorentz Contraction, Clock 1 experiences a RTF of 1.0000000004447147 for 2 hours. Clock 2 experiences a RTF of 1.0000000001111786 for 4 hours.
So clock 2 maybe travelling for twice the amount of time, but it is subject to a quarter of the contraction. Under ASC, they have travelled the same distance and should be subject to the same RTF. This should be demonstrable.
Quote:People during Noah’s time were saved by Christ’s death as well as people after Christ.
True, but what happened to them in the meantime? Were they stuck in hell until the crucifixition? Or purgatory? Or was it a case of cause coming before effect and they were already saved because of an event that would happen in the future?
I'm a bit short on time at the moment so I'll respond to the other points later 
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RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old
December 7, 2013 at 10:27 am
(December 7, 2013 at 1:18 am)Chuck Wrote: A protection racket is at least an honest racket. The bad things threatend really would be done to yreact you don't submit.
Christianity is even more contemptible. It is a fraudulent racket.
A protection racket is NOT honest if there is NOTHING to be protected from
Then it is pure fraud - nothing more.
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RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old
December 9, 2013 at 6:40 am
Warped one, if the speed of light is not a constant, what do you think that does for all the astronomical discoveries made in the last 100 years? What does it do for the Hubble constant, the expanding universe, the fact that other galaxies are not a part of our own? The constancy of the speed of light made all these discoveries possible. Since you don't believe that the speed of light in a vacuum is constant, how do you fit 100 billion galaxies inside our own? Or do you own some magical ruler that somehow shrinks when exposed to the Bible?
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"I think that in the discussion of natural problems we ought to begin not with the scriptures, but with experiments, demonstrations, and observations".
- Galileo Galilei (1564-1642)
"In short, Meyer has shown that his first disastrous book was not a fluke: he is capable of going into any field in which he has no training or research experience and botching it just as badly as he did molecular biology. As I've written before, if you are a complete amateur and don't understand a subject, don't demonstrate the Dunning-Kruger effect by writing a book about it and proving your ignorance to everyone else! "
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RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old
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