(December 7, 2013 at 9:16 pm)pocaracas Wrote: DNA is not the original form of genetic makeup.
Sexual reproduction is not the original form of reproduction.

I'd like to reiterate how right pocaracas is about both these things.

And DNA is not the genetic material of many viruses today. And the majority of life in the world is still not sexually reproducing.

(December 7, 2013 at 9:32 pm)Optimistic Mysanthrope Wrote:

(December 7, 2013 at 8:46 pm)StrongWaters Wrote: That's your pretext. My context speaks volumes and you have an excellent opportunity to speak to the subject of the thread. Ad Hominem is a fallacy that ends your contribution to credible discussion.

Nope. It was an insult wrapped up in an observation. I wasn't trying to undermine your "proposition". I grew up in the 80's and 90's so trust me, I know pretentious bullshit when I see it. You're not being anywhere near as profound as you think you are.

Then fact-check the thread and get back to me on it. Put your money where you words are. Find an error. Google is the ultimate resource for you and you can find the answers to this short thread in 5 minutes. Check my information.

You can do a simple Latin / Greek search for each word I list. You'll need to find the actual Latin root word. They are all there to be found. You will also come across all the various threads over the last few years when I was slowly finding these truths. I have been digging this for the past 20+ years. Nothing I have given in this OP is inaccurate.

Prove me wrong.

(December 7, 2013 at 9:42 pm)Zazzy Wrote: And the majority of life in the world is still not sexually reproducing.

Tell me about it.....

(December 7, 2013 at 9:47 pm)StrongWaters Wrote:

(December 7, 2013 at 9:32 pm)Optimistic Mysanthrope Wrote: Nope. It was an insult wrapped up in an observation. I wasn't trying to undermine your "proposition". I grew up in the 80's and 90's so trust me, I know pretentious bullshit when I see it. You're not being anywhere near as profound as you think you are.

Then fact-check the thread and get back to me on it. Put your money where you words are. Find an error. Google is the ultimate resource for you and you can find the answers to this short thread in 5 minutes. Check my information.

You can do a simple Latin / Greek search for each word I list. You'll need to find the actual Latin root word. They are all there to be found. You will also come across all the various threads over the last few years when I was slowly finding these truths. I have been digging this for the past 20+ years. Nothing I have given in this OP is inaccurate.

Prove me wrong.

There is no need to prove you wrong. You have not presented a compelling, or even coherent, argument for anything.

(December 7, 2013 at 9:42 pm)Zazzy Wrote:

(December 7, 2013 at 9:16 pm)pocaracas Wrote: DNA is not the original form of genetic makeup.
Sexual reproduction is not the original form of reproduction.

I'd like to reiterate how right pocaracas is about both these things.

And DNA is not the genetic material of many viruses today. And the majority of life in the world is still not sexually reproducing.

Evolution is the result. Involution is the cause. You can't collapse wave function apart from the observer and DNA, in any form, is a shadow of the process.

Aleph Bet is the Father. Aleph Mem is the Mother. Bet Nun is the seed. The alphabet (Letters) writes the Word (Son). Son is the word Bet (House) Nun (Seed). Mother is the catalyst. Hydrogen has one Proton (+) and one Electron (-) in balance. The early universe was in a high state of order (balance) and low entropy. When Atom/Adam was split, the electron was free in the chain reaction. The strong nuclear force is Neutron holding the Proton (Walled City). The Neutron has one up quark and two down. The Proton has two up and one down. They are again balanced as the strong nuclear force (Strong House / Aleph Bet).

The strong force follows a law called invariant symmetry. This is the same as the Bible stating that God is the same yesterday, today and tomorrow. The governing force in the universe is the invariant symmetry of the strong nuclear force. The electron does not follow this law, but is instead heeled (authority) by the strong. There is a very good reason for this. It's called individuation.

How many thieves were on the cross? Two. The neutron was the Son of God in the strong house (Paradise). Only one thief was heeled to the strong force. Free will demands that we too become part of the invariant nature of God.

This is the point that all physics, biology, philosophy, and natural science proclaims.

God's will is to give. Taking makes us the thief. The law is the guardian. In Ancient Hebrew culture, the guardian was a trusted family member that taught the Son to farm the wheat. Once the slave son came of age, the guardian was released and the slave inherited the land.

Galatians 3

23 Before the coming of this faith,[j] we were held in custody under the law, locked up until the faith that was to come would be revealed. 24 So the law was our guardian until Christ came that we might be justified by faith. 25 Now that this faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian.

26 So in Christ Jesus you are all children of God through faith, 27 for all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. 28 There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.

The law he speaks of is the law governing all of creation. Once the lesson of creation is learned, love overcomes the need to govern the thief. Love is the tie that binds in unity, or the point of all philosophy (Truth / West). Jesus is the Way (East), the Truth (West) and the Life. Life comes when we overcome our guardian.

I can tell this unified story because the key to the Aleph Bet is the key to the symbolism. Physics and natural science is then the parable we learn at the highest axiom possible. New Jerusalem is the new walled city. It is a platonic solid (invariant), filled with invariant jewels.

Faith is collapsing wave function, or making what is indeterminate into a determined choice. No faint means no ability to determine.

Hebrews 11

11 Now faith is confidence in what we hope for and assurance about what we do not see. 2 This is what the ancients were commended for.

3 By faith we understand that the universe was formed at God’s command, so that what is seen was not made out of what was visible.

Given me your version.

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(December 7, 2013 at 9:56 pm)Chas Wrote:

(December 7, 2013 at 9:47 pm)StrongWaters Wrote: Then fact-check the thread and get back to me on it. Put your money where you words are. Find an error. Google is the ultimate resource for you and you can find the answers to this short thread in 5 minutes. Check my information.

You can do a simple Latin / Greek search for each word I list. You'll need to find the actual Latin root word. They are all there to be found. You will also come across all the various threads over the last few years when I was slowly finding these truths. I have been digging this for the past 20+ years. Nothing I have given in this OP is inaccurate.

Prove me wrong.

There is no need to prove you wrong. You have not presented a compelling, or even coherent, argument for anything.

Science and the higher axiom / parable in the Bible match. Apart from theory being an incorrect interpretation, science has demonstrated the correct parable found in the Bible.

(December 7, 2013 at 9:47 pm)StrongWaters Wrote: Then fact-check the thread and get back to me on it. Put your money where you words are. Find an error. Google is the ultimate resource for you and you can find the answers to this short thread in 5 minutes. Check my information.

You can do a simple Latin / Greek search for each word I list. You'll need to find the actual Latin root word. They are all there to be found. You will also come across all the various threads over the last few years when I was slowly finding these truths. I have been digging this for the past 20+ years. Nothing I have given in this OP is inaccurate.

Prove me wrong.

I'm not saying the facts are wrong. What you have done is string together an almost random bunch of facts to make a barely intelligible collection of bullshit that is scarily reminiscent of some of my past schizophrenic episodes.

(December 7, 2013 at 10:11 pm)Optimistic Mysanthrope Wrote:

(December 7, 2013 at 9:47 pm)StrongWaters Wrote: Then fact-check the thread and get back to me on it. Put your money where you words are. Find an error. Google is the ultimate resource for you and you can find the answers to this short thread in 5 minutes. Check my information.

You can do a simple Latin / Greek search for each word I list. You'll need to find the actual Latin root word. They are all there to be found. You will also come across all the various threads over the last few years when I was slowly finding these truths. I have been digging this for the past 20+ years. Nothing I have given in this OP is inaccurate.

Prove me wrong.

I'm not saying the facts are wrong. What you have done is string together an almost random bunch of facts to make a barely intelligible collection of bullshit that is scarily reminiscent of some of my past schizophrenic episodes.

I go deeper in the water than what you might suspect.

Scripture is scribed into four levels.

1) Pshat, or direct and simple. This is the level the Atheist stops with. Seeds cannot open if ears are closed. Ears are grain. When water hits a seed of grain, it breaks open and a plant expresses in the soil. The soil must be prepared. I am trying to do this now actually. I am acting as the gardener tilling the soil.

2) Remez, or hinting. This is like Father being Aleph Bet (Letters) writing the Son (Word). It's hinting. Again, the earlier level is necessary for the plant to grow here on this level.

3) Darash is commentary and comparison. Here, we need Seven rules to deScribe what is written by context. Context is the key to seeing the overall picture. As I lead you down this rabbit's hole, you can begin to see my process.

4) Sod, or deep hidden. Here, we need the other three as a foundation to begin seeing the true story. What I outline is simply the cleanest truth I can give you. I must then work my way back to the Pshat level for you to use the water. Once I have watered the entire ground, your seeds will grow.

Under 3, I stated that seven rules are necessary. Here they are.

Seven Rules of Hillel

All that to say this: I use Rule Seven above all others.

7. Davar hilmad me'anino (Explanation obtained from context)

The total context, not just the isolated statement must be considered for an accurate exegesis.

This is known as Hermaneutics. You might catch the "Hermes" part of this. Enoch was the first scribe to God. He walked with God for 300 years. So did Hermes. Thoth is Hermes in Egypt. What went with the nations when the languages were confounded? The names changed, but the stories were the same.

I just sowed you the keys to the temple. They are words, words, words for you unless you have faith. Apart from being able to collapse the wave function, they are simply symbols.

How did you learn to read? You first learned the context of the symbols. To you, it is mombo jumbo. To me, it is literature on another plane of existence.

I can read symbols. Like words, they have more than one meaning by context.

Need an example?

(December 7, 2013 at 9:57 pm)StrongWaters Wrote: GLARBLE%&w*@%BLARG(*&@q*(wFLIBBLE@(&@#*

Get back to me when you want to discuss biology, m'kay?

Ugh, don't bring in chinese characters and try to say it proves god. Have some sense, we chinese are human beings who used to write in pictures instead of alphabets like the rest of you, so while it may seem very mysterious, we are not magic people with a line to mystic. It's just words, we use it to communicate.

(December 7, 2013 at 10:47 pm)Zazzy Wrote:

(December 7, 2013 at 9:57 pm)StrongWaters Wrote: GLARBLE%&w*@%BLARG(*&@q*(wFLIBBLE@(&@#*

Get back to me when you want to discuss biology, m'kay?

As I said, words, words, words to you if you lack faith, or the ability to collapse the wave function God presents. It's not a material wave function. This is the point. Spiritual eyes and ears are needed. In physics, this is indeterminate probability becoming a present and determined reality. For the observer, the parable from the Bible is faith.

Hebrew 11

11 Now faith is confidence in what we hope for and assurance about what we do not see. 2 This is what the ancients were commended for.

3 By faith we understand that the universe was formed at God’s command, so that what is seen was not made out of what was visible.

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(December 7, 2013 at 10:50 pm)pineapplebunnybounce Wrote: Ugh, don't bring in chinese characters and try to say it proves god. Have some sense, we chinese are human beings who used to write in pictures instead of alphabets like the rest of you, so while it may seem very mysterious, we are not magic people with a line to mystic. It's just words, we use it to communicate.

Confucius would disagree.