(December 8, 2013 at 11:56 am)Sleepy Wrote: No atheist on here has any logical answer. They can only go around in circles like a dog chasing it's tail. It's hilarious.

Why is rape bad?

Atheists response " because it is!!"

Muslim response- it's a heinous crime and the punishment is death.

...unless Allah orders it. In which case, our less than intellectual friend Sleepy isn't going to call it rape (even if it's still rape).

And that's kinda a problem with most monotheistic religions: if god tells you to do something horrible and evil, you're going to do it.

Quote: Atheists- heinous is a relative term though. It's a dominant specimen exerting powe over a weaker specimen to spread his genes and benefit himself

If we're talking evolutionarly speaking, an elementary undertanding of evolution could lead someone to believe we support rape, sure, but that's just a simplistic view. A slightly more complex view takes into account that humans evolved a sense of empathy and we evolved group dynamics and social structures. We fucking care about each other because evolution designed us to care about each other and evolution designed us that way because it's beneficial to the species. Evolution of the fittest is NOT evolution of the strongest.

(December 8, 2013 at 11:54 am)NoraBrimstone Wrote:

(December 8, 2013 at 11:39 am)Sleepy Wrote: The only good theocratic country in the world is Iran. Which hasn't attacked another country in hundreds of years and where Jews as well as Christians live in peace and have Jewish and Christian schools as well as representatives in the Iranian parliament

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It's illogical to say "political and religious are same" because those who are claiming something does not mean what they're doing is representative of what they claim unless they're perfect beings with no room for error

Sadly, there are at least parts of Iran where other religions aren't (or at least weren't allowed to live in peace. I had a friend at school whose family had to leave Iran when she was a toddler because they were Christians and were going to be executed for it. You really have no idea, do you?

That's a complete lie. Iran has the largest Christian population in the middle easy and they freely practice their religion. As well as Jews who who have synagogues, Jewish schools that teach Hebrew. Oh these Iranians are so intolerant that they allow that as well as representatives of other religions in the parliament.
Do something with your life instead of living in the brainwashed, media controlled mind life that you live.

Try wearing a hijab and you will see the social atmosphere around you change. You won't be judged for how ugly or pretty you look, if you go to an interview you'll be seen for your qualifications instead of being hired because somebody thinks you look good. If you're okay with being sexually objectified that's fine. But Muslim women as well Mary mother of Jesus PBUH who wore hijab are above that level of thinking.

And I know you want to get some info about me because you recognize a beast when you see one haha. You're not my type though, I like educated, not ignorant, kind girls

(December 7, 2013 at 11:21 pm)NoraBrimstone Wrote:

(December 7, 2013 at 11:04 pm)The_Thinking_Theist Wrote: The violence in Africa isn't as easy to solve as passing a law. This violence is. And, reproductive slaves? You know who has even less of a say than the poor, oppressed, women?

The unborn child.

No shit. You know why it has no say? Because it's a fucking foetus. It doesn't have any thoughts or feelings ir any need for "a say" in things. It doesn't know it exists. It's a bunch of cells that's almost indistinguishable from any other species of mammal.

Women, on the other hand, do have thoughts and feelings and a need for "a say" in things. Sorry if the idea of women having rights over our own bodies bothers you, but we're entitled to those rights because we are conscious people.

Where has anyone said rape is bad "because it is"? Seriously, quote me it from anyone in this thread. Go on. Do it.

I wrote several times in one fucking post why rape is wrong. It's wrong because your harming another person. You are violating their body. You are causing them emotional trauma. You (possibly?) wouldn't like so have someone's dick forced up your arse against your will, and women don't like having one forced up out cunts against our will in much the same way. It's wrong for the same reasons that physical assault and murder are wrong, yet worse than both.

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(December 8, 2013 at 12:05 pm)The_Thinking_Theist Wrote:

(December 7, 2013 at 11:21 pm)NoraBrimstone Wrote: No shit. You know why it has no say? Because it's a fucking foetus. It doesn't have any thoughts or feelings ir any need for "a say" in things. It doesn't know it exists. It's a bunch of cells that's almost indistinguishable from any other species of mammal.

Women, on the other hand, do have thoughts and feelings and a need for "a say" in things. Sorry if the idea of women having rights over our own bodies bothers you, but we're entitled to those rights because we are conscious people.

For....?

(December 8, 2013 at 11:56 am)Sleepy Wrote: No atheist on here has any logical answer. They can only go around in circles like a dog chasing it's tail. It's hilarious.

Why is rape bad?

Atheists response " because it is!!"

Muslim response- it's a heinous crime and the punishment is death.

Atheists- heinous is a relative term though. It's a dominant specimen exerting powe over a weaker specimen to spread his genes and benefit himself

Lol that's an atheist response. That's what happens when you live in a world of moral relativity. It's nonsense.
Killing is relative, theft is relative, everything is relative within the unfortunate and demented atheist thinking. The other side could always be argued no matter how 'bad' it is

Typical atheist responses to me
Omg sleepy I don't know what to say so I say something irrelevant, false, and childish because I got caught in a web of lies it teach my self.

Atheist thinking
Maybe this relativity is BS. How can I believe something is bad when 'bad' is relative. There's nobody to decide what bad is!!!

CORRECT RESPONSE
Allah decides what is bad. There is no moral relativity. There is no such thing as rape per se in marriage because the wife and husband gbe themselves to each other. It's completely unethical to force spouse to have sex. But legally it's not

The punishment is death for rape. Putting a husband to death for 'raping' his wife is a completely different scenario than a random
man raping a women.

Atheist thinking.
That actually does make sense because they've most likely had sex before, knew they are going to have sex when they got married and it is wrong for any person to force to have sex but it's not rape in the way it's commonly used.

The punishment for forcin your spouse to have sex is not on the level of a random individual
committing rape.

This is common sense and seen in English Law as well

I didn't say rape was bad just because it is, this is what I said

Quote:You don't understand what fittest means in terms of evolution you have misunderstood it totally.

Because fittest doesn't usually mean strongest in human courtship rituals.

Usually social skills and the ability to make money are the most essential abilities which make a human male fit.

When people talk about the survival of the fittest it doesn't mean everything that is alive today better go down to the gym and do press ups then bully other people.
It means slugs are alive because they fit the eco system in which they live and pass on their genetics, everything that passes on its genetics is fit.

It doesn't benefit civilizations to have rape to be legal, since intelligence, social skills and the ability to make money are more important to a civilization than to have physical strength.

This is why a group of gorillas who have evolved in a society where it is mainly the strongest are the fittest will always lose in a battle with an army of humans who have evolved in a society where intelligence and social skills decide who's fittest.

(December 8, 2013 at 12:04 pm)Sleepy Wrote:

(December 8, 2013 at 11:54 am)NoraBrimstone Wrote: Sadly, there are at least parts of Iran where other religions aren't (or at least weren't allowed to live in peace. I had a friend at school whose family had to leave Iran when she was a toddler because they were Christians and were going to be executed for it. You really have no idea, do you?

That's a complete lie. Iran has the largest Christian population in the middle easy and they freely practice their religion.

FALSE:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianit...iddle_East

Haha. It's so easy to dismiss you potato brain. I'm fairly sure you have to be a POE or a troll. There's no way on earth you could continue to claim untruths as fact with a straight face, especially when the information is right there for you to look at.

And what's wrong with 'harming another person'? You're asserting your dominance and animals harm and kill each other all the time
You're spinning in circles. By claiming its wrong you're contradicting the relativism
You adhere to

(December 8, 2013 at 12:04 pm)Sleepy Wrote: You're not my type though, I like educated, not ignorant, kind girls

You prefer girls who can take a good beating and claim they fell down the stairs.

Yeah I was wrong about the Christian stats but there's still a lot and they live in more peace in Iran than any other country besides Lebanon

(December 8, 2013 at 12:05 pm)NoraBrimstone Wrote: Where has anyone said rape is bad "because it is"? Seriously, quote me it from anyone in this thread. Go on. Do it.

I wrote several times in one fucking post why rape is wrong. It's wrong because your harming another person. You are violating their body. You are causing them emotional trauma. You (possibly?) wouldn't like so have someone's dick forced up your arse against your will, and women don't like having one forced up out cunts against our will in much the same way. It's wrong for the same reasons that physical assault and murder are wrong, yet worse than both.

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(December 8, 2013 at 12:05 pm)The_Thinking_Theist Wrote:

For....?

Saying I'm some kind of misogynist, etc.