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RE: Atheists condone and condemn rape
December 8, 2013 at 1:23 pm
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I thought the individual stated the individual was 'out'
Yet the individual is back. Lol
(December 8, 2013 at 1:21 pm)BadWriterSparty Wrote: You can't put all atheists in a box, jackass.
That's impossible. There is no box as every box has the potential to be different for every individual relativist
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RE: Atheists condone and condemn rape
December 8, 2013 at 1:25 pm
Saying atheists are relativists is putting them in a relativist box, asshole.
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RE: Atheists condone and condemn rape
December 8, 2013 at 1:25 pm
(December 8, 2013 at 1:23 pm)Sleepy Wrote: I thought the individual stated the individual was 'out'
Yet the individual is back. Lol
The individual is a mod, fuckwit: when one guy (that's you, for the record) starts pulling multiple reports in the space of a few minutes, in one single thread, part of my job here is to keep an eye on things. I won't be shamed by Mister Most-Likely-To-Be-Banned-Soon for doing my goddamned job.
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RE: Atheists condone and condemn rape
December 8, 2013 at 1:26 pm
Atheists getting mad because they realized their logic is contradictory, flawed
Instead of learning and increasing your knowledge many have decided to remain ignorant. That's expected actually, these individuals are in fact in the minority
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RE: Atheists condone and condemn rape
December 8, 2013 at 1:26 pm
(December 8, 2013 at 1:01 pm)Sleepy Wrote: "Now, let's go a little more in depth, shall we? Because all of us define "rape" as "sex without consent." So, if a couple is married and one of them says "no," I still say it's rape for the other to force themselves. You say that's ok.... you just don't call it rape. "
This post is gonna get reported because in no post I said that.
In fact I've repeated many times it's reprehensible, not something a good Muslim does , immoral as well as a sin. I hope your account gets banned as well as the small group of word manipulators who act in desperation. So you're saying you didn't write any of this?
(December 6, 2013 at 10:52 am)Sleepy Wrote: It's a sin and not permissible for a wife to refuse her husband for sex and not permissible for a husband to refuse sex to his wife either.
It's part of the marital contact. Is it unethical and a sin if he forces himself upon her and harms her. But there is no legal punishment.
The key is to remember sex is to be exclusive between husband and wife and wife or husband denying each other sex is an illogical concept unless one is injured, hurt, or some other serious problem (December 6, 2013 at 2:28 pm)Sleepy Wrote: It's not permissible for a married women to deny her husband sex, but it's also not permissible for the man to rape that women. It's indeed a despicable and heinous crime.
Indeed Allah's wrath will be upon that person who rapes married or not. It's reprehensible but not rape. Because the wife and husband understand sex is a part of their marriage. (December 6, 2013 at 11:40 am)Sleepy Wrote: There's no legal punishment as sex is perfectly ok and legal between husband and wife.
There's no legal ramifications for something that is entailed within a marital contract. Something that is a huge part of marriage. (December 6, 2013 at 12:12 pm)Sleepy Wrote: It's not rape because they're married. They both got into a contract to exclusively have sex with each other. If a husband or wife forces another to have sex there is no emotional or physical trauma. Though it is unethical it is a sin upon the person doing the forcing. There is no legal punishment though
"My husband raped me"
" my wife raped me ". Sex is natural between married couples. Rape is between in consenting person with no relationship to rapist.
Not wanting to have sex has no standing within marriage as the marriage agreement is that you will have sex with another. Not for one spouse to say no I'm good. Don't get married than if you plan on refusing your spouse unless you're sick or hurt (December 6, 2013 at 2:34 pm)Sleepy Wrote: In marriage there's no "I'm not in the mood"
The marriages purpose is to be married and the things that entail that. Is it permissible for the man to forcefully have sex with the woman and hurt her. No it's not. But that's not considered rape. (December 6, 2013 at 2:41 pm)Sleepy Wrote: Consent lasts for a lifetime unless you get divorced. That sexual consent is from when you get married and humans love sex. One of the huge positives of the marriage is to engage in sex, both spouses are aware of this that they are giving each other themselves mentally, emotionally, and sexually.
The husband/ wife can't say I don't want to talk to you right, I don't want to have sex right now. You have to do your duty as a spouse.
If for some reason some woman or husband denies sex to their spouse then if it was me I would insist lol. If she was sick, hurt than that's fine. If it's for no reason, then the husband/wife is not doing good at all. (December 7, 2013 at 5:37 pm)Sleepy Wrote: “In Islamic sharia, rape is adultery by force.
“So long as the woman is his wife, it cannot be termed as rape. It is reprehensible, but we do not call it rape.”
“It is not an assault, it is not some kind of jumping on somebody’s individual right.
“When they got married, the understanding was that sexual intercourse was part of the marriage, so there cannot be anything against sex in marriage.
“Of course, if it happened without her desire, that is no good, that is not desirable.”
“He may be disciplined, and he may be made to ask forgiveness"
Rape is adultery by force. Forcing your wife to have sex with you is not rape, it's unethical and immoral but not rape. It is a sin upon the husband that Allah will see too, but legally its not rape. (December 8, 2013 at 11:56 am)Sleepy Wrote: Allah decides what is bad. There is no moral relativity. There is no such thing as rape per se in marriage because the wife and husband gbe themselves to each other. It's completely unethical to force spouse to have sex. But legally it's not
You should probably report that, because some cunt has been posting as you.
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RE: Atheists condone and condemn rape
December 8, 2013 at 1:27 pm
(December 8, 2013 at 1:26 pm)Sleepy Wrote: Atheists getting mad because they realized their logic is contradictory, flawed
Care to explain yourself?
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RE: Atheists condone and condemn rape
December 8, 2013 at 1:28 pm
(December 8, 2013 at 1:25 pm)BadWriterSparty Wrote: Saying atheists are relativists is putting them in a relativist box, asshole.
That box is different. If it was an absolutist box then what you say makes sense because there's no room for disagreement.
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RE: Atheists condone and condemn rape
December 8, 2013 at 1:28 pm
(This post was last modified: December 8, 2013 at 1:29 pm by Bad Writer.)
Might doesn't make right. Being a minority is how all great progress begins. Don't forget that your own Islam had humble beginnings, though we know enough now to say that it was never good from start to finish.
(December 8, 2013 at 1:28 pm)Sleepy Wrote: (December 8, 2013 at 1:25 pm)BadWriterSparty Wrote: Saying atheists are relativists is putting them in a relativist box, asshole.
That box is different. If it was an absolutist box then what you say makes sense because there's no room for disagreement.
Then be honest and say, "Yeah, I guess I was putting atheists in a box."
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RE: Atheists condone and condemn rape
December 8, 2013 at 1:30 pm
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I didnt read the posts fully but noone would disturb women in a muslim society .
Down there is a guy who disturb chechen girls . Big mistake .
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RE: Atheists condone and condemn rape
December 8, 2013 at 1:30 pm
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(December 8, 2013 at 1:25 pm)Esquilax Wrote: (December 8, 2013 at 1:23 pm)Sleepy Wrote: I thought the individual stated the individual was 'out'
Yet the individual is back. Lol
The individual is a mod, fuckwit: when one guy (that's you, for the record) starts pulling multiple reports in the space of a few minutes, in one single thread, part of my job here is to keep an eye on things. I won't be shamed by Mister Most-Likely-To-Be-Banned-Soon for doing my goddamned job.
It's obvious you're biased and not doing your job as a moderator because several individuals have stated many thing which I did not say
If you believe atheism does not entail relativism and the possibility for an individual to think rape is ok than that's on you, but it's 100% incorrect and you know this.
The individual from London, thanks for collecting those posts. You can see that I've repeated it's unethical. No moral person will
force their spouse physically to have sex with them. The punishment of death is for rapists, not for husbands who did something immoral and wrong. It is immoral and wrong but marriage entails sex. It's a big part of it, they both give each other themselves mentally, emotionally, and sexually
If a woman raped a man sentence is death
If a women raped a husband while married punishment is not death
If a husband denies wife sex besides being sick, hurt, injured it is a sin
If a wife denies husband sex besides being sick, injured it is a sin
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