(December 8, 2013 at 6:57 pm)NoraBrimstone Wrote: A child and a foetus are different. A child has already been born and knows it's alive.

(December 8, 2013 at 6:55 pm)NoraBrimstone Wrote:

(December 8, 2013 at 6:48 pm)Duck Wrote: Sorry, getting high and making a shit decision is a good excuse to kill a viable human being?

Nope. Not wanting a baby is sufficient...

Why do you have to decide whether you want the baby BEFORE they are born? Whats the difference between throwing an unwanted newborn baby in the trash and throwing an unborn baby in the trash?

Holding a human baby in your arms or holding him in your womb. Whats the difference?

Please dont drop the baby...especially on purpose

(December 8, 2013 at 10:23 pm)Lion IRC Wrote:

(December 8, 2013 at 6:57 pm)NoraBrimstone Wrote: A child and a foetus are different. A child has already been born and knows it's alive.

(December 8, 2013 at 6:55 pm)NoraBrimstone Wrote: Nope. Not wanting a baby is sufficient...

Why do you have to decide whether you want the baby BEFORE they are born? Whats the difference between throwing an unwanted newborn baby in the trash and throwing an unborn baby in the trash?

One is dependant on its mother's body, you nitwit.

(December 8, 2013 at 10:23 pm)Lion IRC Wrote: Holding a human baby in your arms or holding him in your womb. Whats the difference?

If a baby is in your arms, you can safely put the baby down without any harm to anyone. If a baby is in your uterus, you can't really put it down except with an abortion.

(December 8, 2013 at 10:23 pm)Lion IRC Wrote: Whats the difference between throwing an unwanted newborn baby in the trash and throwing an unborn baby in the trash?

The prefix to the word "born" and the point at which the foetus is considered a baby. Basically the guts of your argument.

I don't mind a woman arguing against abortion. But whenever a man does it just comes off as: I put that sperm in there and by god there'll be a baby coming out. It's my property rights goddammit.

(December 8, 2013 at 11:04 pm)whateverist Wrote: I don't mind a woman arguing against abortion. But whenever a man does it just comes off as: I put that sperm in there and by god there'll be a baby coming out. It's my property rights goddammit.

So women can use the exact same arguments against abortion as men and thats OK but if a man uses the same reasoning thats NOT OK.

Do we really want to apply that sexist discrimination across the board with men and women being told that they are only entitled to a democratic vote on selective morality issues?

Did you know that the Roe vs Wade Supreme Court judges who legalized abortion were all men.

Y'know, if we could all throw a big effort behind excellent birth control free for everybody, we could seriously reduce abortions, which everybody wants.

Lion, what bugs me most about the usual anti-choice position is not that's it's against abortion. It's that they (you?) are also against doing all the things it would take to reduce the number of abortions, a thing which is totally possible in this day and age. When I continually see condemnation of and misinformation about birth control coming from the same camp that wants to criminalize abortion, it makes me want to go to war.

(December 8, 2013 at 11:58 pm)Zazzy Wrote: Y'know, if we could all throw a big effort behind excellent birth control free for everybody, we could seriously reduce abortions, which everybody wants.

Abortion IS birth control. You are still taking away something many people regard as their "right"

It is within the woman's body that the parasite grows, and thus the choice is hers alone to make.

When men can become pregnant, then they too can make the decision for themselves whether they want to keep or abort.

If a womans reproductive choices are hers alone and nothing to do with men, how come I have to pay taxes to support unmarried moms?