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RE: Demons?
January 14, 2014 at 7:22 pm
(January 14, 2014 at 7:03 pm)Beccs Wrote: In all honesty, I was skeptical about the existence of demons (and angels) even when I was religious.

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What does being religious have to do with angels and demons.

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God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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RE: Demons?
January 14, 2014 at 7:25 pm (This post was last modified: January 14, 2014 at 7:26 pm by ShaMan.)
(January 14, 2014 at 7:22 pm)Godschild Wrote: What does being religious have to do with angels and demons.

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Religion lends credence to such delusions.
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RE: Demons?
January 14, 2014 at 7:32 pm
Angels and demons are part of some religions. Why would you ask that kind of question?
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#74
RE: Demons?
January 14, 2014 at 8:54 pm
(January 14, 2014 at 6:27 pm)Godschild Wrote:
(January 14, 2014 at 6:17 pm)Chad32 Wrote: Sure, anything can start with faith. Like that guy that comes down my chimney every year to bring presents. Unfortunately without hard evidence, the only reason anyone would remain in the faith is through isolation or force.

To me, the fact that a bunch of people enjoying what should be utter happiness can be convinced that someone could be better than the current boss means the current boss must be flawed. We can see how flawed his views are in everything we disagree with in the bible. You could say he works in mysterious ways, and we just have to have faith that these awful things have a good purpose, but I'm going to need a good explanation other than "because I'll beat your ass if you don't get back in line", like my dad likes to say.

So far you've done a good job ignoring us.

GC

Here's a question.

If I remember my bible (it's been some time since I read it), humans were given free will. angels weren't.

If that's the case how could angels rebel?

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RE: Demons?
January 14, 2014 at 8:58 pm
Well they must have free will if they can rebel. Otherwise it's just a malfunction, and they need to be fixed. Satan can't be seen as the source of evil if he was an angel, and angels aren't supposed to have free will. Though maybe he obtained it himself. I don't know. there's like 400+ contradictions in the bible from what I've heard. This would just be one of them.
Poe's Law: "Without a winking smiley or other blatant display of humor, it is impossible to create a parody of Fundamentalism that SOMEONE won't mistake for the real thing."

10 Christ-like figures that predate Jesus. Link shortened to Chris ate Jesus for some reason...
http://listverse.com/2009/04/13/10-chris...ate-jesus/

Good video to watch, if you want to know how common the Jesus story really is.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88GTUXvp-50

A list of biblical contradictions from the infallible word of Yahweh.
http://infidels.org/library/modern/jim_m...tions.html

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RE: Demons?
January 14, 2014 at 9:08 pm
I'm sorry, but I was tempted to give sinnerburninhell100 kudos bust because their posts make me laugh.
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Avodaiah Away
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RE: Demons?
January 14, 2014 at 9:10 pm
(January 14, 2014 at 8:54 pm)Beccs Wrote:
(January 14, 2014 at 6:27 pm)Godschild Wrote: So far you've done a good job ignoring us.

GC

Here's a question.

If I remember my bible (it's been some time since I read it), humans were given free will. angels weren't.

If that's the case how could angels rebel?

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As I understand it, Lucifer was given free will and was also in charge of 1/3 of the angels, so when he rebelled, the 1/3 of the angels followed him.
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RE: Demons?
January 14, 2014 at 9:15 pm
And then seeing how poorly giving someone free will goes, when you're as much of a control freak as Yahweh is, he still gave it to humans. This deity isn't very smart.
Poe's Law: "Without a winking smiley or other blatant display of humor, it is impossible to create a parody of Fundamentalism that SOMEONE won't mistake for the real thing."

10 Christ-like figures that predate Jesus. Link shortened to Chris ate Jesus for some reason...
http://listverse.com/2009/04/13/10-chris...ate-jesus/

Good video to watch, if you want to know how common the Jesus story really is.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88GTUXvp-50

A list of biblical contradictions from the infallible word of Yahweh.
http://infidels.org/library/modern/jim_m...tions.html

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RE: Demons?
January 14, 2014 at 9:24 pm
(January 14, 2014 at 9:15 pm)Chad32 Wrote: And then seeing how poorly giving someone free will goes, when you're as much of a control freak as Yahweh is, he still gave it to humans. This deity isn't very smart.
Maybe God has a reason for doing it that we don't know? That would make Him smarter than us, not dumber.
If God really does exist, we would expect Him to be this way, wouldn't we?
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RE: Demons?
January 14, 2014 at 9:25 pm
(January 14, 2014 at 7:22 pm)Godschild Wrote:
(January 14, 2014 at 7:03 pm)Beccs Wrote: In all honesty, I was skeptical about the existence of demons (and angels) even when I was religious.

Confused Fall

What does being religious have to do with angels and demons.

GC

Because they're associated with religions.

THey're throughout Christian mythology.

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