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RE: Demons?
January 13, 2014 at 1:04 am
(January 13, 2014 at 1:01 am)Sinnersburninhell100 Wrote: (January 11, 2014 at 11:43 am)Minimalist Wrote: Well that figures!
What do you have against Pentecostal Churches? 
Normally I'd just say watch Jesus camp, but you probably think that is a upstanding way to raise children.
To-morrow, and to-morrow, and to-morrow,
Creeps in this petty pace from day to day,
To the last syllable of recorded time;
And all our yesterdays have lighted fools
The way to dusty death. Out, out, brief candle!
Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player,
That struts and frets his hour upon the stage,
And then is heard no more. It is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing.
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RE: Demons?
January 14, 2014 at 3:03 pm
(January 11, 2014 at 1:10 am)Lemonvariable72 Wrote: (January 11, 2014 at 12:49 am)Chad32 Wrote: The idea of Satan convincing a bunch of angels to turn away from Yahwen makes me curious. What exactly did he say? Any good lie must contain some kernel of truth to be believed. To convince someone that their life can be improved through change, they must be discontent in some way. In what way was heaven lacking enough that a third of the population could be convinced to rock the boat?
I would think that if your going against a omnipotent Being you either have a reason that makes self sacrifice okay with you or your dumb as a box of rocks.
I believe most of mankind has chosen one or the other and pride leads the way, at least Lucifer believed so.
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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RE: Demons?
January 14, 2014 at 3:17 pm
The thing about us choosing is that there isn't concrete evidence for any gods, and we had a lot to choose from throughout history. The angels presumably knew exactly who the boss was, and how powerful he was.
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RE: Demons?
January 14, 2014 at 3:52 pm
Our "demons" are manifest in the ego.
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RE: Demons?
January 14, 2014 at 3:58 pm
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(January 14, 2014 at 3:52 pm)It Is i Wrote: Our "demons" are manifest in the ego.
(spoiler: movie ending revealed from the sci-fi classic, "Forbidden Planet")
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RE: Demons?
January 14, 2014 at 6:08 pm
(January 14, 2014 at 3:17 pm)Chad32 Wrote: The thing about us choosing is that there isn't concrete evidence for any gods, and we had a lot to choose from throughout history. The angels presumably knew exactly who the boss was, and how powerful he was.
It starts with faith, not evidence. The angels are very powerful beings and Lucifer above all, I guess he was able to convince them they could over power God, I sure they see they got on the wrong side of this thing. Doesn't mean we have to be.
GC
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RE: Demons?
January 14, 2014 at 6:17 pm
Sure, anything can start with faith. Like that guy that comes down my chimney every year to bring presents. Unfortunately without hard evidence, the only reason anyone would remain in the faith is through isolation or force.
To me, the fact that a bunch of people enjoying what should be utter happiness can be convinced that someone could be better than the current boss means the current boss must be flawed. We can see how flawed his views are in everything we disagree with in the bible. You could say he works in mysterious ways, and we just have to have faith that these awful things have a good purpose, but I'm going to need a good explanation other than "because I'll beat your ass if you don't get back in line", like my dad likes to say.
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RE: Demons?
January 14, 2014 at 6:25 pm
(January 14, 2014 at 3:03 pm)Godschild Wrote: (January 11, 2014 at 1:10 am)Lemonvariable72 Wrote: I would think that if your going against a omnipotent Being you either have a reason that makes self sacrifice okay with you or your dumb as a box of rocks.
I believe most of mankind has chosen one or the other and pride leads the way, at least Lucifer believed so.
Big difference, angels have proof of god and see him everyday. I have never seen proof of god, and you didnt answer the initial contention.
To-morrow, and to-morrow, and to-morrow,
Creeps in this petty pace from day to day,
To the last syllable of recorded time;
And all our yesterdays have lighted fools
The way to dusty death. Out, out, brief candle!
Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player,
That struts and frets his hour upon the stage,
And then is heard no more. It is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing.
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RE: Demons?
January 14, 2014 at 6:27 pm
(January 14, 2014 at 6:17 pm)Chad32 Wrote: Sure, anything can start with faith. Like that guy that comes down my chimney every year to bring presents. Unfortunately without hard evidence, the only reason anyone would remain in the faith is through isolation or force.
To me, the fact that a bunch of people enjoying what should be utter happiness can be convinced that someone could be better than the current boss means the current boss must be flawed. We can see how flawed his views are in everything we disagree with in the bible. You could say he works in mysterious ways, and we just have to have faith that these awful things have a good purpose, but I'm going to need a good explanation other than "because I'll beat your ass if you don't get back in line", like my dad likes to say.
So far you've done a good job ignoring us.
GC
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RE: Demons?
January 14, 2014 at 7:03 pm
In all honesty, I was skeptical about the existence of demons (and angels) even when I was religious.
Playing Cluedo with my mum while I was at Uni:
"You did WHAT? With WHO? WHERE???"
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