(January 15, 2014 at 1:41 pm)Drich Wrote:

(January 15, 2014 at 1:29 pm)Lemonvariable72 Wrote: That's not true at all. I followed the exact a/s/k method you described, because I was afraid I'd committed blasphemy and was seeking the love and forgiveness of the lord.

again if you did not find God and stopped Asking and seeking then you did not follow the model in luke 11. You may have very earnestly asked and sought, but you did not knock. 1/3 of everything Jesus has to say in that passage is on the importance of knocking. If you did not knock you did not complete the perscribed path. therefore you did not do it 'my' or rather God's way.

I'm just going to take a wild stab in the dark, but if someone genuinely "asks" the imaginary sky deity for faith, and gets rejected (or rather, finds his or her self overwhelmed by common sense and can't believe it), you can always say that it wasn't done "God's way," right? Otherwise, God's way could lead to atheism. So basically, all your saying is that a person must believe in belief before he or she believes.

(January 15, 2014 at 1:48 pm)Pickup_shonuff Wrote:

(January 15, 2014 at 1:41 pm)Drich Wrote: again if you did not find God and stopped Asking and seeking then you did not follow the model in luke 11. You may have very earnestly asked and sought, but you did not knock. 1/3 of everything Jesus has to say in that passage is on the importance of knocking. If you did not knock you did not complete the perscribed path. therefore you did not do it 'my' or rather God's way.

I'm just going to take a wild stab in the dark, but if someone genuinely "asks" the imaginary sky deity for faith, and gets rejected (or rather, finds his or her self overwhelmed by common sense and can't believe it), you can always say that it wasn't done "God's way," right? Otherwise, God's way could lead to atheism. So basically, all your saying is that a person must believe in belief before he or she believes.

see the post prior to your post. I address this exact thing.

(January 15, 2014 at 1:50 pm)Drich Wrote:

(January 15, 2014 at 1:48 pm)Pickup_shonuff Wrote: I'm just going to take a wild stab in the dark, but if someone genuinely "asks" the imaginary sky deity for faith, and gets rejected (or rather, finds his or her self overwhelmed by common sense and can't believe it), you can always say that it wasn't done "God's way," right? Otherwise, God's way could lead to atheism. So basically, all your saying is that a person must believe in belief before he or she believes.

see the post prior to your post. I address this exact thing.

I read that but it still doesn't answer my question. If a person continually examines the reasons for faith in Christ, and keeps reaching the conclusion that they are nothing short of ridiculous, not to mention unsubstantiated by any credible methodology, is this contrary to "God's way"? Or does God require intellectual dishonesty, which is the conclusion many of us have reached in examining the rationale behind faith?

(January 15, 2014 at 10:40 am)Drich Wrote: 20 He replied, “Because you have so little faith. Truly I tell you, if you have faith as small as a mustard seed, you can say to this mountain, ‘Move from here to there,’ and it will move. Nothing will be impossible for you.” [21]

Just in the context of the passage we can see Jesus nor his deciples were not trying to move a 1000ft mass of sand and stone. The deciples were trying to cast out a demon. Yet In the english we have the text reporting that Jesus identified this task as moving a mountain. This would have me ask what word did He orginally use and what was it's meaning?
The word in the greek is ὄρος oros It can mean a literal mountain, but again since the context does not support that understanding So if we turn to the Thyares lexicon we see the word oros can also mean (in this context)" to accomplish a most difficult task, to accomplish stupendous or incrediable things."

So, aside from your translation making the next sentence kind of redundant, how is "nothing will be impossible for you," metaphorical? It's a direct statement.

Quote:then nothing, now let me ask what if you Atheists are Wrong?

Answer: There will be Hell to pay.

No, that's only if you're wrong and atheism is correct, you self righteous prick. What if you're wrong and literally any other religion is correct?

Quote:again if you did not find God and stopped Asking and seeking then you did not follow the model in luke 11. You may have very earnestly asked and sought, but you did not knock. 1/3 of everything Jesus has to say in that passage is on the importance of knocking. If you did not knock you did not complete the perscribed path. therefore you did not do it 'my' or rather God's way.

And this is the dishonest lynchpin of Drich's entire A/S/K bullshit: the moment you even consider that there might be a failure state for his test, you're no longer doing it correctly. All he's done is posited an unfalsifiable, and therefore irrational, justification for his belief.

As usual.

(January 15, 2014 at 2:31 am)Pickup_shonuff Wrote:

(January 15, 2014 at 12:32 am)Polaris Wrote: As for my belief, I don't need evidence for that...

Sounds like a perfectly reasonable human being.

I'd rather not care about proving my faith than be someone who either believes every single new "discovery" (read forgery) is the proof that is needed or conversely, like that Horus myth debacle, believe in anything on the internet simply because it claims to disprove some account.

I've read so many hypocritical christian posts, that it's rendered me unable to create anything logical. Is this what it means to lose brain cells? This one guy in-directly stated I'm going to hell. Wow, what a loving christian. Continue blindly worshipping that bullshit religions of yours. I'll continue to live my life, religion free, and still contribute more to society than you. btw. i'm smart then u because im an atheist.

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never noticed how many jesus freaks were present on this forums. you fuckers dont play bout your jesus, huh?

(January 15, 2014 at 1:23 pm)Drich Wrote: If you did try it 'my way' you would still be working on it. for my way follows the example in Luke 11. In Luke 11 we are told to 'knock' (or continue to ask and seek) till we get what we are looking for. You stopped far short. Therefore you could not have done it 'my way.'

Maybe we got an answer and that answer was "there is no god".

(January 15, 2014 at 9:34 pm)Yahweh Wrote: I've read so many hypocritical christian posts, that it's rendered me unable to create anything logical.

So?

(January 15, 2014 at 10:40 am)Drich Wrote: then nothing, now let me ask what if you Atheists are Wrong?

Answer: There will be Hell to pay.

When you threaten non-believers with hell you demean and embarrass yourself on every level.

You betray the hatefulness and violence which lie at the heart of your beliefs. You let slip the veil of spurious love and forgiveness and show that underneath it all, your faith is nothing but an ultimatum: OBEY OR SUFFER.

Because that's all you've got in the end; once we've pointed out the fallacies and the errors and the lousy logic and circular reasoning and the factual inaccuracies that reveal your beliefs for the medieval nonsense they are, all you've got is THREATS.

You're not even a bully. Your imaginary friend God is the bully; you're the sneaky little kid who sucks up to the bully and tells tales on all his pals to him.

And the worst thing is? We're LAUGHING at you because you're threatening us with something that isn't even there. The bully you're hiding behind isn't real. To us, when you threaten damnation, you look as sad and pathetic as a guy trying to rob a bank with a water pistol. Your threats are literally empty and you degrade yourself and belittle your faith in making them.

(January 15, 2014 at 1:56 pm)Pickup_shonuff Wrote:

(January 15, 2014 at 1:50 pm)Drich Wrote: see the post prior to your post. I address this exact thing.

I read that but it still doesn't answer my question. If a person continually examines the reasons for faith in Christ, and keeps reaching the conclusion that they are nothing short of ridiculous, not to mention unsubstantiated by any credible methodology, is this contrary to "God's way"? Or does God require intellectual dishonesty, which is the conclusion many of us have reached in examining the rationale behind faith?

We are all given the mustard seeds worth of faith required to establish and maintain the relationship needed to receive atonement.

All we must do is deposit this mustard seed where Christ in luke 11 tells us to put it. In that we are to ask, seek and knock. That's it that's all. The 'proof' comes in The way of God Himself, and a direct line of communication with Him. As you show yourself to be faithful to what you have been given, you will be given more you will become more aware.