Evolution is a joke. DNA obviously doesn't exists. Have you actually seen some outside of a text book or the internet?
Further more all that worry about Foot and Mouth and Bird Flue developing a strain capable of infecting humans was evidentially just vile evolutionist propaganda. [/sarcasm]

(December 11, 2008 at 1:42 pm)leo-rcc Wrote:

(December 11, 2008 at 11:47 am)Daystar Wrote: Oh, I know all about peer review and Scientific method being observe what happens; based on those observations, form a theory as to what may be true; test the theory by further observations and by experiments; and watch to see if the predictions based on the theory are fulfilled, but at the end of the day if that all don't add up the way you want it to you just have to wing it.

That is dead wrong. If the numbers don't add up, the theory is dropped like a hot potato. The peer review is not done by people who agree with your hypothesis but by those that are sceptic on your findings.

Isaac Newton's book, Principia with its theory of gravity, is considered to be the beginning of modern science. Take it forward about 200 years to Einstein - 1916. Gravity rethought. Look, I am not saying that this is a bad thing. I keep bringing it to your attention not because it is a bad thing but a good thing. It is how science works. If they don't know the answer they guess. That is how one learns. In order to be realistic you have to recognize the possibility that the theory of evolution could be wrong for over 200 years.

You can't compare science, which is fallible to the God's word, which is infallible.

I think that is called being boxing clever. Good stuff...yeah...

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(December 11, 2008 at 1:48 pm)EvidenceVsFaith Wrote: Science is extremely precise unless you're talking about intelligent design or something
Science is very very careful and inquisitive. You get points in science for proving your colleges wrong. And you go about trying to prove yourself wrong too
You question yourself. And you question science. There is no winging it. Science actually progresses.

Like I told Leo, consider Newton's theory of gravity for over 200 years. It really is astonishing to me - the religious nature of the modern day Atheists.

Talking to you people about evolution is - and trust me I know this - just like talking to the most zealous Xians. I kind of think that your knowledge level is about the same as well, which surprises me. You don't know any more about your faith than they do theirs.

Religious. Oh, yeah.

(December 13, 2008 at 11:37 am)Daystar Wrote: You can't compare science, which is fallible to the God's word, which is infallible.

That's bogus. You can't claim infallibility when you yourself are not all-knowing like your god. You claim infallibility of your god, but you base that on something far more unreliable than a guess: your wish for his existence and your blind faith on a book.

Once again I ask you, how can you assess the infallibility of your god? Can you check out his all-knowingness?

(December 13, 2008 at 1:10 pm)Purple Rabbit Wrote:

(December 13, 2008 at 11:37 am)Daystar Wrote: You can't compare science, which is fallible to the God's word, which is infallible.

That's bogus. You can't claim infallibility when you yourself are not all-knowing like your god. You claim infallibility of your god, but you base that on something far more unreliable than a guess: your wish for his existence and your blind faith on a book.

Once again I ask you, how can you assess the infallibility of your god? Can you check out his all-knowingness?

Through a little thing I like to call faith . . . can I hear an AMEN! Yeah!

I was just pulling y'all's chain. I like your avatar, by the way.

(December 13, 2008 at 1:46 pm)Daystar Wrote:

(December 13, 2008 at 1:10 pm)Purple Rabbit Wrote:

(December 13, 2008 at 11:37 am)Daystar Wrote: You can't compare science, which is fallible to the God's word, which is infallible.

That's bogus. You can't claim infallibility when you yourself are not all-knowing like your god. You claim infallibility of your god, but you base that on something far more unreliable than a guess: your wish for his existence and your blind faith on a book.

Once again I ask you, how can you assess the infallibility of your god? Can you check out his all-knowingness?

Through a little thing I like to call faith . . . can I hear an AMEN! Yeah!

I was just pulling y'all's chain. I like your avatar, by the way.

There is a thin line between faith and arrogance. Claiming the absolute from the fallible mortal perspective is plain overestimation of oneself and a lame excuse for sloppy thinking. Furthermore there is no honour in hiding from rational scrutiny in dirty secret talks with an imaginary sky fairy in your head. Combine the two and you're all prepped for religious arrogance that has battered the face of the earth for so lang already. You may say amen to that if you will.

(December 13, 2008 at 2:24 pm)Purple Rabbit Wrote:

(December 13, 2008 at 1:46 pm)Daystar Wrote:

(December 13, 2008 at 1:10 pm)Purple Rabbit Wrote:

(December 13, 2008 at 11:37 am)Daystar Wrote: You can't compare science, which is fallible to the God's word, which is infallible.

That's bogus. You can't claim infallibility when you yourself are not all-knowing like your god. You claim infallibility of your god, but you base that on something far more unreliable than a guess: your wish for his existence and your blind faith on a book.

Once again I ask you, how can you assess the infallibility of your god? Can you check out his all-knowingness?

Through a little thing I like to call faith . . . can I hear an AMEN! Yeah!

I was just pulling y'all's chain. I like your avatar, by the way.

There is a thin line between faith and arrogance. Claiming the absolute from the fallible mortal perspective is plain overestimation of oneself and a lame excuse for sloppy thinking. Furthermore there is no honour in hiding from rational scrutiny in dirty secret talks with an imaginary sky fairy in your head. Combine the two and you're all prepped for religious arrogance that has battered the face of the earth for so lang already. You may say amen to that if you will.

No. I won't say amen to that but you will.

I know you because I have seen an infinite army of the likes of you. You know nothing of that which you speak and trust only in your own infallible logic; blind to its own limitations. Insistent upon it only out of a smug self-righteousness and pure ignorance in the guise of superior intellect. Facts you call them but you know little of them.

You are doomed to fill the river of blood, not me. It is far too easy to slip into the likeness of your enemy, child, don't you think?

Daystar, that is an outrageous remark to make. I'll eagerly await Purple Rabbit's response.

(December 13, 2008 at 3:04 pm)CoxRox Wrote: Daystar, that is an outrageous remark to make. I'll eagerly await Purple Rabbit's response.

I say those things in response to ignorance, CR. It is easy to criticize religion for its bloodlust, but if done out of ignorance and baseless confidence you only encourage a repeat of history.

(December 13, 2008 at 2:53 pm)Daystar Wrote: No. I won't say amen to that but you will.

I know you because I have seen an infinite army of the likes of you. You know nothing of that which you speak and trust only in your own infallible logic; blind to its own limitations. Insistent upon it only out of a smug self-righteousness and pure ignorance in the guise of superior intellect. Facts you call them but you know little of them.

You are doomed to fill the river of blood, not me. It is far too easy to slip into the likeness of your enemy, child, don't you think?

You not only claim you can read the mind of god but you're a mind reader pur sang because you know me on basis of your assessment "of the likes of me". One wonders why you would engage in debate here at all. You're so full of your absolutistic crap. Well, Daystar, or should I say god to you, if you know me than please tell me what I think of the current financial crises, the new US president, global climate change and brussels sprouts.

Btw, I think your avatar sucks big time, but I'm sure that you, as a fullfledged miraculous mind reader of Oz already knew that.

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(December 13, 2008 at 3:09 pm)Daystar Wrote: I say those things in response to ignorance, CR. It is easy to criticize religion for its bloodlust, but if done out of ignorance and baseless confidence you only encourage a repeat of history.

Have I mentioned bloodlust? Well no. But you are very eager to fill the gaps (does that ring a bell?) yourself. From ignorance you assume bloodlust. That's a nice illustration of the argument from ignorance Daystar.

Thinking of something nice to throw in to melt the ice, I offer you absence of atheistic hell to rot away in after this life. Hope you appreciate this nice and rather benevolent thought provided by atheism free of charge.

Purple Rabbit, are you not of the opinion, and did you not express the opinion that "Claiming the absolute from the fallible mortal perspective is plain overestimation of oneself and a lame excuse for sloppy thinking. Furthermore there is no honour in hiding from rational scrutiny in dirty secret talks with an imaginary sky fairy in your head."

I put forth the proposition that you don't know your ass from a hole in the ground. That is about it, really.