(February 19, 2014 at 11:15 am)enrico Wrote:

(February 19, 2014 at 11:00 am)Jacob(smooth) Wrote: Darned search engine must be playing up. I typed in "meat is good" but just got a bunch of commentary and opinion. No studies.

If you just reference the actual study you referred to which says "eating meat is good" we can look at it together.

Ok. then do something else.
1) Go in any hospital, nursing home, rehab center or any other center in which
there are sick people (prisons as well) during the meal time.
2) Now when you are there open your eyes well and see what is inside their plates.
3) Take a note book with you and write down what you see.
4) Then look for the doctor in charge for that unit and ask......doc i see meat in all the plates can you please tell me why all these people eat meat?
5) Hear what the doc say and then come back to me so we can look at it together.

Enrico if keep evading the question people are going to think you made the bit about the science up . You don't HAVE that reference do you.

But since I work in a hospital I can tell you most people there eat meat!

And also bread.

And vegetables.

So I conclude that vegetables making these people sick.

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Quote: I could say that all sick people use antiperspirant, therefore the antiperspirant is causing them to be sick and is therefore bad for you.

Shitshitshitshit
I used some at lunchtime!

I see a tunnel, and a bright light....

(February 19, 2014 at 11:12 am)Bad Wolf Wrote: If meat is as bad as you say it is, for the human body, there would be scientific peer-reviewed articles and experiments about the dangers of eating meat. There are none.

I quoted a number of studies which demonstrated that meat eating increased all cause mortality and indeed a number of specific diseases, including cancer and cardiovascular disease. Need I quote these again?

Moderation. Moderation of everything.

(February 19, 2014 at 1:25 pm)No_God Wrote: Moderation. Moderation of everything.

Moderation IN everything.

I moderated your post. See what I did there?

(February 19, 2014 at 1:20 pm)jg2014 Wrote: I quoted a number of studies which demonstrated that meat eating increased all cause mortality and indeed a number of specific diseases, including cancer and cardiovascular disease. Need I quote these again?

Well its obvious you haven't been reading the thread. And need I quote again? Correlation does not imply causation.

(February 19, 2014 at 1:20 pm)jg2014 Wrote:

(February 19, 2014 at 11:12 am)Bad Wolf Wrote: If meat is as bad as you say it is, for the human body, there would be scientific peer-reviewed articles and experiments about the dangers of eating meat. There are none.

I quoted a number of studies which demonstrated that meat eating increased all cause mortality and indeed a number of specific diseases, including cancer and cardiovascular disease. Need I quote these again?

Wait, what? hock:

Enrico said science said eating meat is GOOD! Which is it yous guys?

I am mostly a Vegetarian but I'm not strict about it. I will indulge in Fish or Chicken here and there but otherwise I don't eat other meats for ethical reasons. Especially sad that people still eat pigs. It's just...sad to be eating such a socially sentient animal. Meat eating will be superfluous at some point in the future and this era will be looked back with some shame as we do with our past. We spend more money on feeding and fattening up the animals we eat than we do on making cars a year, billions of wasted dollars. It's not even a necessary part of a diet, you can get your protein many other ways without hurting our sentient cousins of Earth. I think using the Evolution argument to eat meat is a cop-out and doesn't address the ethical issue at hand.

(February 19, 2014 at 11:16 am)No_God Wrote: I think moderation and careful consideration on what you are putting into your body is important.

Both an omnivorous diet and a vegetarian diet are extremely beneficial ONLY if done correctly.

Yes, my brother was vegan for years and he had to plan it all out beforehand ... he's currently a veggie but is planning on going full greens soon!

(February 19, 2014 at 2:40 pm)Bad Wolf Wrote: Well its obvious you haven't been reading the thread. And need I quote again? Correlation does not imply causation.

That was also a well used argument by tabacco lobbyists. It is true in principle but the epidmiological studies were well controlled, and there are well documented mechanisms by which meat could for example cause cancer. Carcinogenic heterocyclic amines are one example which are present in cooked meat and along vith other carcinogens can cause cancer.

Here is some of the abstract from that link
''More than ten kinds of HCAs, actually produced by cooking or heating of meat or fish, have now been isolated and their structures determined, most being previously unregistered compounds. They are highly mutagenic towards Salmonella typhimurium in the presence of S9 mix and are also mutagenic in vitro and in vivo toward mammalian cells. HCAs have now been chemically synthesized in quantity and subjected to long-term animal testing. When HCAs were fed in the diet, rodents developed cancers in many organs, including the colon, breast and prostate, and one HCA produced hepatomas in monkeys. The lesions exhibited alteration in genes including Apc, beta-catenin and Ha-ras, and these changes provide clues to the induction mechanisms. The HCAs are oxidized to hydroxyamino derivatives by cytochrome P450s, and further converted to ester forms by acetyltransferase and sulfotransferase. Eventually, they produce DNA adducts through the formation of N-C bonds at guanine bases. There are HCA-sensitive and resistant strains of rodents and a search for the responsible genes is now under way. While the content of HCAs in dishes consumed in ordinary life is low and not sufficient in itself to explain human cancer, the coexistence of many other mutagens/carcinogens of either autobiotic or xenobiotic type and the possibility that HCAs induce genomic instability and heightened sensitivity to tumor promoters suggest that avoidance of exposure to HCAs or reduction of HCAs' biological effects as far as possible are to be highly recommended. Usage of microwave ovens for cooking and supplementation of the diet, for example with soy-isoflavones, which have been found to suppress the occurrence of HCA-induced breast cancers, should be encouraged. Advice to the general public about how to reduce the carcinogenic load imposed by HCAs would be an important contribution to cancer prevention."

(February 19, 2014 at 2:50 pm)Jacob(smooth) Wrote:

(February 19, 2014 at 1:20 pm)jg2014 Wrote: I quoted a number of studies which demonstrated that meat eating increased all cause mortality and indeed a number of specific diseases, including cancer and cardiovascular disease. Need I quote these again?

Wait, what? hock:

Enrico said science said eating meat is GOOD! Which is it yous guys?

Yous guys? Enrico is obviously delusional, and believes in a whole load of pseudoscience.

Well that's a relief.

Sorry to be the pest but would you mind linking me to one or two of those studies? It's a ruddy long thread to trawl through, I've only been dipping in and out.