Quote:The Russian economy is moribund, the wealth mostly in the hands of oligarchs and the culture increasingly repressive.

Shit. Sounds like here.

(February 19, 2014 at 7:04 pm)Minimalist Wrote:

Quote:The Russian economy is moribund, the wealth mostly in the hands of oligarchs and the culture increasingly repressive.

Shit. Sounds like here.

Kind of like how everything is bigger in Texas (including stupidity), everything is worse in Russia.

Oil props up what is left of the post soviet economy. There is little investment going on and far less potential for growth.

Hell, the facilities at Sochi have been breaking down already - so much for Russian prestige.

(February 19, 2014 at 7:07 pm)Moros Synackaon Wrote:

(February 19, 2014 at 7:04 pm)Minimalist Wrote: Shit. Sounds like here.

Kind of like how everything is bigger in Texas (including stupidity), everything is worse in Russia.

Oil props up what is left of the post soviet economy. There is little investment going on and far less potential for growth.

Hell, the facilities at Sochi have been breaking down already - so much for Russian prestige.

Better than being under the heel of the hun!

(February 19, 2014 at 6:11 pm)Moros Synackaon Wrote:

(February 19, 2014 at 6:01 pm)Clueless Morgan Wrote: This is all happening because Yanukovych decided not to sign a trade deal with the EU?

A simplistic way to put it, but that was the start of it.

The protests hit a flash point when anti-protest laws with disproportionate (ie murder had a lesser sentence) jail time were enacted.

Although the government backed down and voted to retract those laws, Yanukovich became suddenly ill and refused to sign the legislation, effectively keeping the inflammatory laws in place.

Further reports of judicial malfeasance where pro-government supporters were overwhelmingly let off with lesser punishments while anti-government protestors continued to be tried to the fullest extant of the law made it even worse.

Finally, the attempted murder and crucification of a well known protestor amplified an already explosive situation.

This is now a battle between pro-Russia and anti-Russia ideologies.

Blood has been spilled - now we're seeing the steps towards Civil War.

Thanks for the explanation; I googled and read like 6 articles but none of them summarized where the issues began beyond basically what I said above.

I know a number of Younger Ukrainians and even the ones of Russian parentage are 100% behind the protestors. the real problem is that Kruschev added Crimea, which is Russian, to Ukraine so there are large numbers of Russians who voted for Yankovich. Large parts of Western Ukraine were actually part of Poland until Russia stole them in 1945.

Ukraine has imprisoned opposition MPs (like Timochenko) or actually poisoned them.

Why ayone would support the Russia-Syria-Iran front and claim to be pro Jewish is beyond me.

(February 20, 2014 at 12:22 am)là bạn điên Wrote: I know a number of Younger Ukrainians and even the ones of Russian parentage are 100% behind the protestors. the real problem is that Kruschev added Crimea, which is Russian, to Ukraine so there are large numbers of Russians who voted for Yankovich. Large parts of Western Ukraine were actually part of Poland until Russia stole them in 1945.

Ukraine has imprisoned opposition MPs (like Timochenko) or actually poisoned them.

Why ayone would support the Russia-Syria-Iran front and claim to be pro Jewish is beyond me.

Maybe it has something to do with the fact that the protestors are antisemites in the fullest sense of the word.

Quote:[You are the ones] that the Moscow-Jewish mafia ruling Ukraine fears most

-Oleh Tyahnybok, one of the protest leaders on a Ukrainian Insurgent Army leader

Quote:They were not afraid and we should not be afraid. They took their automatic guns on their necks and went into the woods, and fought against the Moskali, Germans, Kikes and other scum who wanted to take away our Ukrainian state.

-Oleh Tyahnybok on the same person

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This really has nothing to do with democracy, it is a neo-nazi rally.

Sounds good if we just could get our grasp on Crimea...i.e. secure at least some form of self-governance in the form of autonomy.
Then we can fly the Kok Tamga once again in the streets of Bakhchesaray!

Seeing as I can't do anything.... I just hope the people survive and retain their democratic freedom.

(February 20, 2014 at 11:14 am)pocaracas Wrote: Seeing as I can't do anything.... I just hope the people survive and retain their democratic freedom.

Why would you do anything? It has nothing to do with you.

The government of Ukraine is lying; they claim that protesters are killing each other:

http://translate.google.com.ua/translate...7014692%2F

Evidence is against that claim; there are videos of police shooting to kill from a distance.

Police are using AKMSs and snipers.

http://www.radiosvoboda.org/media/video/25270710.html

They are shooting to kill protestors:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0DxkDiAcSF8

They have been documented targeting Medics:

https://twitter.com/avramchuk_katya/stat...64/photo/1

She was shot in the neck.

This is not just a right wing protest. It encompasses both wings.

Police are not arresting people.

They are killing them.