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RE: Are we scientists?
February 28, 2014 at 10:36 am
(February 28, 2014 at 7:51 am)JesusLover1 Wrote: I don't understand how the world works scientifically, neither do probably any of you all that well, we aren't scientists! So I'm gonna trust that 31.59% of people are right (Christians) then 2.01% of people are right (Atheists)
Plus where I live over 90% of people are Christians.
Not a scientist? How do you define a scientist? I'm a biology major, so does that count? I can't say I know as much as some of the experts out there like Einstein, but I already know enough that I can fully see how life can be created and how mutations occure and lead to evolution of species. I know enough about life to see how life can exist with out any god to make it exist. Pretty much what I've learned about god is that god isn't necessary anywhere in the recipe; genes, evolution, energy.... those are necessary for life, not god.
And I have to figure, if I had a different major, I'd probably see other flaws to the Bible that are plain obvious to me. My boyfriend is going to be a geologist and I could probably find out a few things about radiometric dating that would disprove at least a literal interpretation of the Bible.
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RE: Are we scientists?
February 28, 2014 at 10:52 am
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I'm a research scientist, and so is my wife! (*)
(*) Live of Brian reference entirely incidental
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RE: Are we scientists?
February 28, 2014 at 10:54 am
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(February 28, 2014 at 7:56 am)JesusLover1 Wrote: Okay, what's a troll and what's a poe?
A troll is a person whose main goal in posting is to provoke emotional reactions. They like to start arguments, derail topics, and they're insincere in the sense that saying what they really thing isn't their purpose.
A Poe is someone who mimicks a fundamentalist in order to make fundamentalists seem immoral or stupid. It's a reference to Poe's Law, which states that it is impossible to parody a fundamentalist in this manner because there are always real fundamentalists who will say something as or more stupid or immoral. It's usually invoked when someone suspects that a poster cannot sincerely hold the view they're espousing, it's so ridiculous that it's easier to believe it's an atheist trying to make fundamentalists look bad.
(February 28, 2014 at 8:19 am)JesusLover1 Wrote: Telling a Christian to read scientific materials is like asking an atheist to read the Bible.
Read the Bible twice, cover-to-cover. Your move.
And telling a Christian to read scientific materials is more like asking them to learn what a person educated in a developed country should already know. If you seriously maintain that being a Christian and learning more about science are incompatible, that's very good news for those who like to see the number of atheist increase if the idea catches on.
(February 28, 2014 at 9:32 am)Kayenneh Wrote: Behold the peppered moth. It used to be a light colored moth, since the species prefer to sleep on birch tree trunks. But thanks to pollution coloring the the environment darker, predators could more easily spot the lightly colored ones. The minority of the moths were dark, but they were usually the first ones to get eaten first, since the stood out against white trees. Now however, the light moths get eaten first, giving the darker ones a chance to breed, so the gene that codes for the excessive melanin is a more successful one, and nowadays the darker moths are more successful in surviving than their light counterparts.
FYI, the area got its soot problem under control, the trees lightened up, and so did the moths, so the light variety is more common now again.
Did you hear about the subway mosquitoes?
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RE: Are we scientists?
February 28, 2014 at 12:08 pm
(February 28, 2014 at 8:04 am)JesusLover1 Wrote: (February 28, 2014 at 8:03 am)Bad Wolf Wrote: Although your bible and religious beliefs are demonstrably wrong in a lot of cases, this is not the evidence most atheists rely on. Most atheists simply ask you to uphold your burden of proof. You have not demonstrated your god, there is no evidence for him, therefore, I lack that belief.
Our evidence is the planet. Atheists think this all just happened. My dad says it takes more evidence to be an atheist and believe in evolution than to be a Christian.
Are you fucking 12 years old? You keep going on about your dad. Have that ass hat come on here!
We actually have evidence. You have a shitty book.
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RE: Are we scientists?
February 28, 2014 at 12:14 pm
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RE: Are we scientists?
February 28, 2014 at 12:22 pm
(February 28, 2014 at 10:54 am)Mister Agenda Wrote: Did you hear about the subway mosquitoes?
No, I didn't, but I would love to! 
When I was young, there was a god with infinite power protecting me. Is there anyone else who felt that way? And was sure about it? but the first time I fell in love, I was thrown down - or maybe I broke free - and I bade farewell to God and became human. Now I don't have God's protection, and I walk on the ground without wings, but I don't regret this hardship. I want to live as a person. -Arina Tanemura
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RE: Are we scientists?
February 28, 2014 at 12:35 pm
(February 28, 2014 at 8:04 am)JesusLover1 Wrote: (February 28, 2014 at 8:03 am)Bad Wolf Wrote: Although your bible and religious beliefs are demonstrably wrong in a lot of cases, this is not the evidence most atheists rely on. Most atheists simply ask you to uphold your burden of proof. You have not demonstrated your god, there is no evidence for him, therefore, I lack that belief.
Our evidence is the planet. Atheists think this all just happened. My dad says it takes more evidence to be an atheist and believe in evolution than to be a Christian.
No, it doesn't.
If you are not trolling, I say this with sincerity to you-I feel empathy for you after reading this, in that your dad is leading you astray. That's truly a shame. 
You should do some independent research on atheism and you will see it isn't this evil conspiracy as you and your Christian peers think it is.
The truth will set you freeeeeee! (what actually IS truth)
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RE: Are we scientists?
February 28, 2014 at 12:45 pm
He's being homeschooled right now...
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RE: Are we scientists?
February 28, 2014 at 1:12 pm
Damn these ballooning threads!!
Are we scientists, yes I am... your math sucks!
Allow me to show you how you can use statistics "the right way".
Something like 70% of humanity does not believe in the christian model of god, hence it is the wrong model.
The same applies to any other model of the divine or after-life, so they are all wrong.
(February 28, 2014 at 9:21 am)Esquilax Wrote: (February 28, 2014 at 9:10 am)JesusLover1 Wrote: Wow, I'd like to see that. Please show!
Can do!
So, in 2005, a Russian research team started breeding wild silver foxes, to make them more friendly around people. They started out with this: Actually, they started a bit further back... in the 1950's
http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/2011/0...iff-text/2
Those foxes now act like your standard dog... at least, around humans.
(February 28, 2014 at 8:22 am)JesusLover1 Wrote: Guys my dad has studied the Bible for over 40 years. I trust his opinion on it over people who think it's a bunch of desert scribblings. You do realize you have to read the Bible with an open spiritual heart?
Don't you think that's way too much time for such a short book?
What's his problem?
His opinion of the bible is that it's truthful... has he ever actually made a comparison of what's in there with the real world?
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RE: Are we scientists?
February 28, 2014 at 1:17 pm
(February 28, 2014 at 10:36 am)TaraJo Wrote: My boyfriend is going to be a geologist and I could probably find out a few things about radiometric dating that would disprove at least a literal interpretation of the Bible.
Oh my god, geology!! Love that field. He will also be able to tell you about the other dating methods, since carbon dating is only good for about the past 50,000 years, that christians NEVER talk about.
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