(March 12, 2014 at 5:33 pm)psychoslice Wrote: You fool, does everyone die from smoking related disease, so of course everyone isn't going to die from vac., but there will be many who will.

I was making fun of your logic, bud. The argument that "these two things are rising, and therefore one is causing the other," is just laughable, unless you can demonstrate a relationship between the two, which the science simply disagrees with.

Your argument was that since vaccination rates are going up and cancer detection rates are going up, there's a causative relationship, but what made you decide that vaccines were causing cancer? As vague as your reasoning was, it would be equally rational to state that cancer causes vaccines.

(March 13, 2014 at 8:46 am)Esquilax Wrote:

(March 12, 2014 at 5:33 pm)psychoslice Wrote: You fool, does everyone die from smoking related disease, so of course everyone isn't going to die from vac., but there will be many who will.

I was making fun of your logic, bud. The argument that "these two things are rising, and therefore one is causing the other," is just laughable, unless you can demonstrate a relationship between the two, which the science simply disagrees with.

Your argument was that since vaccination rates are going up and cancer detection rates are going up, there's a causative relationship, but what made you decide that vaccines were causing cancer? As vague as your reasoning was, it would be equally rational to state that cancer causes vaccines.

Well I'm not going to argue anymore about the vac., I did my homework and found what I feel is true, you did yours and you are happy with your findings, and I am going to leave it at that, only time will tell who is right and ho is wrong.

(March 13, 2014 at 5:20 pm)psychoslice Wrote: ...only time will tell who is right and who is wrong.

No need for additional time; we already have the answer ratified by countless peer-reviewed studies. It is you who are wrong.

"Only time will tell" in this case is code for "I'm done looking at the evidence because it disagrees with my world view." My mother still believes that she didn't have to take me to the doctor often when I was a child because she used homeopathic remedies on me. Does that make her conclusion correct?

(March 14, 2014 at 9:02 am)Ben Davis Wrote:

(March 13, 2014 at 5:20 pm)psychoslice Wrote: ...only time will tell who is right and who is wrong.

No need for additional time; we already have the answer ratified by countless peer-reviewed studies. It is you who are wrong.

Well that's good for you, lets hope you are right.

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(March 14, 2014 at 10:03 am)Bad Writer Wrote: "Only time will tell" in this case is code for "I'm done looking at the evidence because it disagrees with my world view." My mother still believes that she didn't have to take me to the doctor often when I was a child because she used homeopathic remedies on me. Does that make her conclusion correct?

The problem is that you have made up your mind your right and that's it, where as I feel that what you believe is not the full story, there seems to be something going on, childhood diseases seem to be sky rocketing. I don't know if it is the vac. but lets look at that, that it maybe some of the vac's, lets dig out which ones maybe causing this increase of diseases in the children, and also adults. I maybe wrong, but then, I maybe right ?.

Childhood diseases skyrocketing?

And yet infant mortality rates continue to fall...

Except in places with poorer vaccination schedules...

I'd like to see where exactly childhood diseases are "sky rocketing", but I suspect someone pulled that little "fact" out of their arse and that Childhood diseases are probably more or less the lowest they have ever been in human history thanks to vaccinations.

(March 14, 2014 at 5:49 pm)Jacob(smooth) Wrote: Childhood diseases skyrocketing?

And yet infant mortality rates continue to fall...

Except in places with poorer vaccination schedules...

That's fare enough, I'll search that info out, thanks.

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(March 14, 2014 at 7:37 pm)NoraBrimstone Wrote: I'd like to see where exactly childhood diseases are "sky rocketing", but I suspect someone pulled that little "fact" out of their arse and that Childhood diseases are probably more or less the lowest they have ever been in human history thanks to vaccinations.

He He, I'll see what else I can pull out of my a arss for you lol.

(March 14, 2014 at 5:31 pm)psychoslice Wrote: The problem is that you have made up your mind...

Making up one's mind is never a problem if one has the facts to back up his/her decision. Having the evidence on one's side is a virtue. Can you possibly disagree with this?

psychoslice Wrote:...your right and that's it...

Yep. That's it. I'm right. The other people on this forum are right. The medical community is right. Science is right. You are not. If you have any information that can persuade us otherwise, we beg you to present it.

psychoslice Wrote:...where as I feel that what you believe is not the full story...

Then please fill in the gaps for us so that we can have the "full story".

pyschoslice Wrote:...there seems to be something going on...

"Seems to be" does not sound like a very certain thing. Can you verify for us that there is indeed "something going on"?

psychoslice Wrote:...childhood diseases seem to be sky rocketing.

Then why does this article say the exact opposite of what you seem to be proposing?

Quote:Each year, vaccines save an estimated 6 million to 9 million lives worldwide, including the lives of 3 million children. In the United States, vaccinations have decreased most vaccine-preventable childhood diseases by more than 95 percent.

This is from last November. Has something changed in the last 5 months that we should know about?

psychoslice Wrote:I don't know if it is the vac...

Then why are you demonizing "the vac"? Why so angry at it? If you don't know something, then reason dictates that you need to find out.

psychoslice Wrote:...but lets look at that, that it maybe some of the vac's, lets dig out which ones maybe causing this increase of diseases in the children, and also adults. I maybe wrong, but then, I maybe right ?.

This question presupposes that any of them are causing illnesses or an "increase of diseases in the children", as you say. Our sources say something else. We are waiting on the source that says childhood diseases are on the rise, and that vaccines are the cause for this. Please follow through on your part.

Oh well, as I said we will see, I'll sneak out of here now before I get shot lol.