(March 29, 2014 at 2:52 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: I believe if you are an Atheist and you are good, you will enter paradise.

But I don't want to live with dumbass Allah.

Well, if anything during your stay here, you have demonstrated repeatedly that you believe a lot of things for bad reasons.


So, I am not surprised by this latest ridiculous thing you believe, also for bad reasons.

I have a couple of questions. If good atheists enter paradise despite not believing in your ridiculous religion, what do you gain by believing? Do you get a better spot in paradise? A nicer place to live? More attractive virgins?

(March 29, 2014 at 4:27 pm)MysticKnight Wrote:

(March 29, 2014 at 4:24 pm)Marsellus Wallace Wrote: This is not a fairy tale. Get real, would ya ?

Take the whole thing or just leave it , If you believe in Quran, then stop cherry picking.

Just ask yourself, how many times did God say in the Quran that he will send the non-believers to hell forever ????

I am aware of the verses in Quran. I've read the Quran over 40 times in my life.

I stand by what I said. The Quran promises non-believers paradise as well in other verses. So before I give you my answer, why don't I ask you, what do you think is a possible reconciliation of these verses?

The issue I have with what you're saying here, is I once followed Christianity most of my life. Islam, while it shares some commonalities with Christianity, teaches an opposing view as it relates to ''heaven'' or ''paradise.'' While I'm an atheist now, if I were still a Christian, I'd wonder why should I beleve the Qur'an over the NT?

This, to me, is the problem with religion. It isn't for me to judge you or your desire to follow Islam, but rather just point out the obvious contradictions that exist within all religions, and comparing them all to one another. You know what I mean?

Islam, just like the other religions, claims to be the 'one true religion.' How can that be when all the others claim the same? All religions can't be right, so to me, they all are most likely...'wrong.'

But, anyway! :=)

(March 29, 2014 at 6:16 pm)Simon Moon Wrote: Well, if anything during your stay here, you have demonstrated repeatedly that you believe a lot of things for bad reasons.


So, I am not surprised by this latest ridiculous thing you believe, also for bad reasons.

I have a couple of questions. If good atheists enter paradise despite not believing in your ridiculous religion, what do you gain by believing? Do you get a better spot in paradise? A nicer place to live? More attractive virgins?

I don't think it gives me an automatic place higher then people of other faiths. The most honorable in the eyes of God per Quran is the one who guards most against evil the most.

While Islam might help me worship God, guard against evil and help me in mysticism and being in line with the authentic self, it doesn't automatically mean I will be higher in level then all those who don't believe in Islam.

I didn't chose Islam to gain more reward from God, I follow it because I think it will help me get closer to God and help his will on earth, and believe in it because I think there is logical reasons to do so.

Fantastic! Now I can do whatever I want and still go to paradise!
Since you know... I'm an atheist, and I'm good. A good atheist does not believe in the Quran or the Bible. Therefore, an atheist lacks a moral, ethical, and empathic compass. (Those things have to come from old books, I've heard).
Finally. I am free. Tomorrow I'm going to axe murder my head chef -- he's a fucking prick, you see. Then bring on the drugs, the booze, the whores, the beating down of senior citizens for no apparent reason. Then when I finally go in a blaze of glory and police bullets, paradise awaits.

Since you have done me this great service, I would like to point out some countries where you may live with your Muslim brothers almost exclusively. Syriah, Afghanistan, Iran and Egypt come to mind. Life seems so happy and carefree in those countries. If you move to Iran (it would be my first choice 4 sure) be careful not to express those liberal muslim views of yours. Apostates must be put to death, you see.

(March 29, 2014 at 6:50 pm)Deidre32 Wrote:

(March 29, 2014 at 4:27 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: I am aware of the verses in Quran. I've read the Quran over 40 times in my life.

I stand by what I said. The Quran promises non-believers paradise as well in other verses. So before I give you my answer, why don't I ask you, what do you think is a possible reconciliation of these verses?

The issue I have with what you're saying here, is I once followed Christianity most of my life. Islam, while it shares some commonalities with Christianity, teaches an opposing view as it relates to ''heaven'' or ''paradise.'' While I'm an atheist now, if I were still a Christian, I'd wonder why should I beleve the Qur'an over the NT?

This, to me, is the problem with religion. It isn't for me to judge you or your desire to follow Islam, but rather just point out the obvious contradictions that exist within all religions, and comparing them all to one another. You know what I mean?

Islam, just like the other religions, claims to be the 'one true religion.' How can that be when all the others claim the same? All religions can't be right, so to me, they all are most likely...'wrong.'

But, anyway! :=)

There has been plenty of true religions but at the core, all of them are saying be a good human being. Quran says the true religion is the nature humans are originated upon but most people don't know this.

This true religion debate shouldn't be a debate. To be a good human being is the true religion. Whether a revelation is actually revealed by God or not, is another matter.

If people come across miracles of a Prophet, their situation and circumstance is totally different to say a person in China who hears about a Prophet in the middle east and then is told to believe.

We have to try to understand why Quran states those who do good will enter paradise in general while at the same time there is other verses that seem to say you can't disbelieve or else no paradise. The contradiction is easily solved if the promise to paradise to those who do good is seen as a general promise to humanity while those who disbelieve being condemned are only specific to those in that area that have disbelieved despite the miracles they are aware of.

So the circumstances are obviously different. It's not far fetch interpretation but one that makes sense.

(March 29, 2014 at 2:52 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: (believe in Quran again)

So you're saying that you returned to believing in the religion that you were indoctrinated into? (not that it ever looked a lot like you ever left it)

Well, color me surprised!!

(March 29, 2014 at 7:25 pm)pocaracas Wrote:

(March 29, 2014 at 2:52 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: (believe in Quran again)

So you're saying that you returned to believing in the religion that you were indoctrinated into? (not that it ever looked a lot like you ever left it)

Well, color me surprised!!

And to come back to announce it, why it's almost as if the indoctrination never really wavered at all.

Eh...

This faith was short lived. I think I believe in God and am confused about religion.

That's how I currently feel. I hope the theists on the forum do pray for me to be guided.