Whata re the word games we Atheists are supposed to play? Is this something to do with the theist insistence that we have a positive belief in no god rather than a negative belief in god? The difference between the two statements is extremely important.

"When I die,fuck it, I want to go to hell. Cuz I'm a piece of shit,it ain't hard to fuckin tell. It don't make sense goin to heaven with the goody-goodies, dressed in white-I like black Tims and black hoodies. God would prolly have me on some real strict shit, no sleepin all day, no gettin my dick wet. Loungin in paradise, hangin wit da goody-goodies? Fuck that shit, I wanna tote guns and shoot dice."

(December 23, 2013 at 6:23 pm)The Reality Salesman Wrote: "When I die,fuck it, I want to go to hell. Cuz I'm a piece of shit,it ain't hard to fuckin tell. It don't make sense goin to heaven with the goody-goodies, dressed in white-I like black Tims and black hoodies. God would prolly have me on some real strict shit, no sleepin all day, no gettin my dick wet. Loungin in paradise, hangin wit da goody-goodies? Fuck that shit, I wanna tote guns and shoot dice."

Then that's what you will have in spades.

Come on Chad! You don't listen to Biggie?..lol

(May 8, 2013 at 11:33 am)Drew_2013 Wrote: Hello all,

About a month ago, I started a thread called The Case for Theism. In it I made a case based on 5 indisputable facts that I argued favor theism defined simply as the belief the Universe was intentionally caused by a Creator who intended for humans to exist as opposed to the atheist belief that there was no creator, the universe wasn't intentionally created or designed and subsequently human life wasn't intended to occur.

Since no atheists took it upon themselves to write this counter thread I've taken the liberty to start it. I'm throwing down the gauntlet are any atheists willing to make a case from indisputable facts (not speculative theories) that will convince me I am mistaken, that my belief in a Creator isn't reasonable and there are facts and data that provide a reasonable doubt to the existence of God? I'm giving atheists the benefit of the doubt that their disbelief in God is because of facts that call that hypothesis into question, not because they don't like the idea of God for personal reasons.

Thanks in advance.

my counter thread would have been far too simplistic for a theist to comprehend.

1+1=2

(December 27, 2013 at 8:17 pm)jesus0.5 Wrote:

(May 8, 2013 at 11:33 am)Drew_2013 Wrote: Hello all,

About a month ago, I started a thread called The Case for Theism. In it I made a case based on 5 indisputable facts that I argued favor theism defined simply as the belief the Universe was intentionally caused by a Creator who intended for humans to exist as opposed to the atheist belief that there was no creator, the universe wasn't intentionally created or designed and subsequently human life wasn't intended to occur.

Since no atheists took it upon themselves to write this counter thread I've taken the liberty to start it. I'm throwing down the gauntlet are any atheists willing to make a case from indisputable facts (not speculative theories) that will convince me I am mistaken, that my belief in a Creator isn't reasonable and there are facts and data that provide a reasonable doubt to the existence of God? I'm giving atheists the benefit of the doubt that their disbelief in God is because of facts that call that hypothesis into question, not because they don't like the idea of God for personal reasons.

Thanks in advance.

my counter thread would have been far too simplistic for a theist to comprehend.

1+1=2

That's pretty damn simplistic, compared to "I made 'em outta clay"

(May 8, 2013 at 4:19 pm)Love Wrote:

(May 8, 2013 at 3:21 pm)Darkstar Wrote: In other words...you have an argument from ignorance? If god is an entity, why wouldn't one be able to find empirical evidence of him? Even if he were non-physical, the effects he has on the world would have to be physical.

Because God cannot be adequately defined in rational terms using rational language.

Ah, a breakthrough! Perhaps god is irrational. We humans being rational therefore can't be blamed for not believing. Therefore our lack of belief should have no consequences if god is just. Therefore even atheists go to heaven.

(May 10, 2014 at 1:21 pm)BlackMason Wrote:

(May 8, 2013 at 4:19 pm)Love Wrote: Because God cannot be adequately defined in rational terms using rational language.

Ah, a breakthrough! Perhaps god is irrational. We humans being rational therefore can't be blamed for not believing. Therefore our lack of belief should have no consequences if god is just. Therefore even atheists go to heaven.

Boom. You just mind ninja'd them man.

(May 8, 2013 at 11:39 am)Baalzebutt Wrote: Here is the single most important, indisputable fact in this argument.

You are completely unable to show me any physical evidence of your god.

Argument over.

But... how else did the world begin?

(May 29, 2014 at 9:43 pm)theist101 Wrote:

(May 8, 2013 at 11:39 am)Baalzebutt Wrote: Here is the single most important, indisputable fact in this argument.

You are completely unable to show me any physical evidence of your god.

Argument over.

But... how else did the world begin?

Stellar formation. Gravity.