And at 16 you've already figured out you're smarter than everybody else?

Yeah, to put it sarcastically, that's only a little narcissistic.

Nothing's wrong with eye to eye contact, but you can't expect everyone to magically give a shit about you or your interests - that's the tough lesson pretty much everyone has to learn. Meanwhile, you also can't reasonably expect that you know exactly what's going on in their heads. I notice you mention nothing about learning what their interests are either or why it's important to them.

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Seeing your other response now - I don't give a fuck about extreme sports. Or philosophy, for that matter. Does that make me one of the sniveling masses? You have no idea what I'm interested in or do with my off time, except what I expressly tell you on this forum. How could you expect to know what the people who have even less contact with you do or care about?

(June 1, 2014 at 5:51 pm)MountainsWinAgain Wrote: I feel hate, disappointment and shame towards human race and society we live in. I'm ashamed to call myself human even if there are some accomplishments we achieved that are marvelous like electricity,houses,music(or what was once called music),...but this in comparison with stupidity of our race is unbelievable. We are still rambling in 21 century who "created" our world,we are an species which is at war with it's self,the stupidity of an average human being is terrifying to me,the things we are doing to our environment,the way society treats individuals it is unbelievable just the fact that most people are motivated by exchanging green paper just pisses me off,... I could go on and bitch till eternity.
But I like the company of friends or individuals but I despise everything that extends over and individualistic personality.I hate being surrounded by people who are stupid,people with who you can't have any philosophical debates,people who don't know shit about anything and they just look at their phone all day and somehow think they are the smartest piss of crap on this entire planet,... Anyway do any of you feel such feelings towards the human species,do you have any advice you could share with me,...?

Excuse my English and sorry if this is in the wrong sub but this has been bugging me for a while.

Okay then. Boobs are nice though, and humans have a monopoly on the ones that I like to touch.

(June 2, 2014 at 8:49 am)Ksa Wrote:

(June 2, 2014 at 4:08 am)MountainsWinAgain Wrote: I'm more frustrated because I can't seem to meet people who have similar ideas as me,or that I could start a debate with them It's impossible so even If I'm surrounded by teenagers or even grown ups I still feel lonely because I can't talk things with them that feel important for me.

I answered in another topic about what was the purpose of human life, and it sounded like this:

(May 30, 2014 at 1:35 pm)Ksa Wrote: I believe that human beings are the result of the Universe trying to figure itself out. So our purpose as human beings are the following:

1) Figure out this Universe and attempt to preserve life by being in control.
2) Seek out a male/female sex partner that makes us want to settle down.
3) Eat, drink and posses that which matters to us and brings us joy.
4) Seek out the chemicals of bliss by all means, dopamine, 6-MAM, oxitocyn and cannabinoids without seriously compromising 1), 2) and 3).

The good news is that you're very familiar and passionate by 1), which is good because that's our main purpose. However, you seem to have a problem with 2), 3) and 4), especially 3) and 4) because you don't seem to accept them in other people.

It's perfectly ok to live with only 1), but you would be missing a huge chunk of what life is, and trust me, you do NOT want to do that. You don't. I know girlfriends can be money driven and stubborn, I know people are foolish when they drink...I know people are misguided and use drugs in very foolish ways, but remember that society never trained them to use drugs safely which is very complex and requires a lot of knowledge.

Some people obtain 6-MAM by helping sick kids in Africa or war zones through a brain connection they call compassion, others by shooting Heroin and yet, others can get 6-MAM by raping or murdering women. What you have to realize is that there is no difference between them, because they all want the same thing: They want 6-MAM. They want dopamine. They want to feel good and live a good life.

If you feel bliss by debating 1), you cannot hate people who feel bliss by doing 3) and 4) because they want the same thing you want. They just obtain it in a different way, though a different mechanism. Sure, the people you describe seem to compromise 1) by doing too much of 2), 3) an 4), but you compromise 2), 3) AND 4) by doing too much of 1). Which is better? I hope the answer will come to you very soon.

I'm very familiar with everything you wrote. I'm mostly an cheerful young guy,I have done lots of psychedelics and cannabis in order to expend my consciousnesses and it was great,but now I'm making an pause until I finish school completely I will only smoke or eat mushrooms at festivals. I know ways how to stimulate dopamin,oxycontin,serotonin and endorphin. I mostly look for an sex partner because a relationship seems boring and waist of my identity and emotions,I can fall for an girls look anytime but I haven't found a girl which whom I would fall in love for her philosophy and looks this two factors are very important for me and if the girl does not posses that there isn't even a slight chance I will ever fall in love with her. I look for a partner for only one reason to escape loneliness but in the last few weeks I started to practice self love and the want for an partner just faded away.

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(June 2, 2014 at 4:09 pm)thesummerqueen Wrote: And at 16 you've already figured out you're smarter than everybody else?

Yeah, to put it sarcastically, that's only a little narcissistic.

Nothing's wrong with eye to eye contact, but you can't expect everyone to magically give a shit about you or your interests - that's the tough lesson pretty much everyone has to learn. Meanwhile, you also can't reasonably expect that you know exactly what's going on in their heads. I notice you mention nothing about learning what their interests are either or why it's important to them.

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Seeing your other response now - I don't give a fuck about extreme sports. Or philosophy, for that matter. Does that make me one of the sniveling masses? You have no idea what I'm interested in or do with my off time, except what I expressly tell you on this forum. How could you expect to know what the people who have even less contact with you do or care about?

I'm not claiming that I'm smarter than everybody else you are misunderstanding me big times just try and understand me because of my english it is very hard to make a sentence that will describe what I think! .

Society: an organized group of persons associated together for religious, benevolent, cultural, , political, patriotic, or other purposes. =I hate such people in this groups because this mold destroys the individual, they all start acting the same. And this bothers me,If one direction is now popular on TV everyone will listen to their music,talk about them,... they do not have their own heads to think with. This is what bothers me that people lose their individuality because of groups. Culture is destroying unique individuals and it is making a mold to which all must conform if we do not we are isolated from everyone in that mold
I love individuals I like hanging out with them but in order that I can enjoy their company they should not be some zombies who can only talk shit about other people (being cruel to each other),doing vandalism, only topic they can talk about is about sex,.... and so on. I do not care if others do not like what I do fine I don't give a fuck but I'm rambling on because people who are not in that mold are so fucking hard to find and I feel isolated and lonely from everyone who are in that mold. Do you understand what I'm trying to say I'm not saying that I'm better or anything I'm just pointing out that because people can't think with their own heads they lose their selves and become that mold and once they are that mold they can be controlled and used to serve the Shepard and this Shepard is destroying the environment and the planet on which we live on. This is what bothers me.

(June 2, 2014 at 4:03 pm)MountainsWinAgain Wrote: I didn't mean hate literally I feel more shame and disappointment towards the masses. (I mean disappointment and shame in an dictionary sense) and same goes for human race,civilization,groups of people,.... My interests are extreme sports and philosophy and I'm 16 years old.

Well then, I have a few things to say, most of which can be summarized in one sentence: get over yourself.
Newsflash: You are not special. Sorry. Everyone (or almost everyone) in your age group feels the same way. Nobody "gets" you. Nobody can "connect" with you. Or, more precisely, you don't "get" other people. You can't "connect" with other people. Because you don't try. You don't view others as equal (in other words, you're a narcissist), and that's why you don't even try to connect with them. Because they're "inferior" (or whatever). You think that, if someone doesn't like the exact same things you like on the exact same level you like them, they're somehow "worse" than you are. We are not. We are just different. You view women as some kind of disposable sex units or whatever, because, and I quote, "a relationship seems boring and waist (sic) of [your] identity and emotions". You conflate lust with love and can't understand that people are not what you see on the outside ("I can fall for an girls look anytime but I haven't found a girl which whom I would fall in love for her philosophy and looks this two factors are very important for me and if the girl does not posses that there isn't even a slight chance I will ever fall in love with her. I look for a partner for only one reason to escape loneliness but in the last few weeks I started to practice self love and the want for an partner just faded away.").
You believe yourself to be more intelligent than others. You are wrong. On IQ alone, I bet I can beat you (let me put it this way: when I was a little younger than you are now, I took an IQ test I had on a CD. It was 143, because I got bored three quarters of the way through and just skipped everything that required more than 10 seconds of thought. I took another one online a few months ago and got 180 using the same process - skipping nearly everything about three quarters of the way through due to boredom. Of course, as you know, online tests are unreliable). In terms of knowledge, my understanding of physics (on just about every scale), biology, and chemistry, as well as my knowledge of English, Portuguese, Spanish, and perhaps even French and Latin, not to mention vast (compared to yours) personal experience with relationships (with both women and men) and emotions, probably outweighs yours. And that's just the basics.

Enough berating, I think. Time to show you that you're not alone.
I, too, like philosophy. I can name just about every fallacy there's a name for (in fact, I haven't "met" one fallacy that had a name I didn't know, although I have found one that went by another name that was unfamiliar to me), in Latin and everything. I can even name some that, IMO, deserve a separate name, but are just categorized as non-sequitur or another type of common fallacy (argumentum ad ignorantiam, argumentum ab auctoritate, and so on). I do not like most sports. Never have, and I doubt I ever will. I am, however, healthy in terms of body fat-to-mass ratio (not BMI; there's a huge difference), I eat right (most of the time; I do indulge from time to time), and don't have any problems with strength or speed. Endurance is a different issue altogether. I can't run very far, but I can walk (at a pace most people would consider quick) almost indefinitely and can "outwalk" someone who's running at a regular speed. I have always loved to climb those big walls made of plastic. I also wanted to try skydiving, golf, mountain climbing, and returning to the gym (yes, I've been to the gym; gained 7 kilos of muscle in 3 months, I think. No significant change in body fat, though, as that was not the point). Unfortunately, time constraints made me unable to do all those things.

What about TV? What do you like to watch? I wanted to go on about what I like to watch, but I concluded it'd probably be pointless without knowing what you like.

(June 2, 2014 at 4:19 pm)MountainsWinAgain Wrote: I hate such people in this groups because this mold destroys the individual, they all start acting the same. And this bothers me

You are afraid that in the blizzard of humanity, it will be forgotten that you are a special snowflake, with your own unique identity.

Social conformities are external conveniences. They don't rob us of our individuality-- they protect it. They allow us to get along with those around us, no matter how their world views, or their inner demons, or their personal beliefs differ from each other.

Here's an example I often hear people complain about. People ask them "How are you?" and expect "Fine thank you. And you?" They do not want you to really tell them about the wart on your dick, or your thoughts about Obama, or whatever. Is this a selling out of the truth? No. Because the truth is the person respects you enough to make the gesture of asking, and you make the gesture of not burdening him with how you actually are.

If you're in a room with Christians, and you say "Amen" after grace, are you conforming, and supporting their religion? No. This external sign of "conformity" has no effect on your own ideas or feelings about the world. The reality is that lowering your head, or being quiet for a minute, or saying "Amen" need not have any effect on your self-identity or your world view at all.

And that's what you're missing. You think all those same-acting people are a bunch of robots, while you're the lone fighter for freedom. But you're wrong, not them. They are ALL individuals, with their own ideas and opinions. And they know something you do not yet understand-- that conformity is only skin-deep.

I'm not claiming that I'm special or anything. But lets reflect on this. I'm special In a way because I have different will than you,my genes are unique and no other organism in the entire universe doesn't have the same genes as I do,no one looks like me,no one has the same voice as I,...no matter how I look at myself I'm unique to every single thing and you are unique in your own way, we are all unique so you who are claiming that,I think I'm special or narcissistic yes I'm! And you all think that you are special as well because if you would not think that you are special or unique or smarter or anything you would already commit suicide! It is human nature to think it is more superior than its peers this is what is keeping us alive.If you think you are unimportant and everyone are better than you,you will get depressed and suicidal but the thoughts that you are superior and somehow better at some things than your peers is keeping you alive.


And again I do not have an snob personality I'm humble,nice and ascetic I do not insult people who do not have the same ideas as me,I only enter such a state when they start insulting me and this is the normal functioning of our brains we defend our selves if we are threatened.And our thoughts are very different when we are in a such state if we compare them when we are in an normal state. I made this thread when I was in a such of state this is why I could exaggerate to some point.

It's not either-or - you don't have to think yourself better or worse than the rest of humanity. Yes, I do think you're being ridiculous - just because I happen to love Lord of the Rings or Star Wars like a berjillion other people on this planet doesn't make me feel like I'm following the crowd. Millions of people like the taste of cheese or spaghetti. Millions of people like swimming in the ocean. So fuck what? Are they all conforming?

You're being incredibly over-generalizing for someone who wants to talk about individualism.

(June 2, 2014 at 6:05 pm)thesummerqueen Wrote: It's not either-or - you don't have to think yourself better or worse than the rest of humanity. Yes, I do think you're being ridiculous - just because I happen to love Lord of the Rings or Star Wars like a berjillion other people on this planet doesn't make me feel like I'm following the crowd. Millions of people like the taste of cheese or spaghetti. Millions of people like swimming in the ocean. So fuck what? Are they all conforming?

You're being incredibly over-generalizing for someone who wants to talk about individualism.

If you like that movie because it makes your taste fine good for you,but if you like that movie just because it is popular and everybody is watching it you are following the crowd! If you like some food because you like the taste yeeey good for you,but if you eat only spaceflight because everyone does it you are a mold


If I will spend some more time on this forum my english will really improve and the more you disagree with my view of life the more I understand it,so I need to thank you for not agreeing with me.

(June 2, 2014 at 5:55 pm)MountainsWinAgain Wrote: I'm not claiming that I'm special or anything. But lets reflect on this. I'm special In a way because I have different will than you,my genes are unique and no other organism in the entire universe doesn't have the same genes as I do,no one looks like me,no one has the same voice as I,...no matter how I look at myself I'm unique to every single thing and you are unique in your own way, we are all unique so you who are claiming that,I think I'm special or narcissistic yes I'm! And you all think that you are special as well because if you would not think that you are special or unique or smarter or anything you would already commit suicide! It is human nature to thing it is more superior than its peers this is what is keeping us alive.If you think you are unimportant and everyone are better than you you will get depressed and suicidal but the thoughts that you are superior and somehow better at some things than your peers is keeping you alive

First you say you're not claiming you're special. Then you say you are special. Make up your mind! Or, better yet, face the truth: if everyone is special, nobody is. Being unique doesn't make you special because everything in the Universe, from elementary particles to the Universe itself and everything in between, is unique. There are never two things that are exactly the same. In fact, such a thing would violate the laws of physics.
Thinking you are unimportant is unhealthy, yes. But so is thinking you're better than everyone else. Both are false ideas. The former can be proven false by the mere fact that, because you're here, you are affecting the world. The latter I demonstrated myself (although anyone can do it) by showing my accomplishments. The fact that you seem to be refusing to accept them tells me you are a narcissist. The beliefs that you're unimportant or better than everyone else are delusions, plain and simple. They are demonstrably false, yet people cling to those ideas; the very definition of "delusion".
If you need to fool yourself into believing you're better than everyone just to keep yourself from committing suicide, I recommend a psychologist/counselor (and I mean this as honest concern; not to belittle you. There's nothing wrong with talking to a psychologist/counselor).

(June 2, 2014 at 5:19 pm)One Above All Wrote:

(June 2, 2014 at 4:03 pm)MountainsWinAgain Wrote: I didn't mean hate literally I feel more shame and disappointment towards the masses. (I mean disappointment and shame in an dictionary sense) and same goes for human race,civilization,groups of people,.... My interests are extreme sports and philosophy and I'm 16 years old.

Well then, I have a few things to say, most of which can be summarized in one sentence: get over yourself.
Newsflash: You are not special. Sorry. Everyone (or almost everyone) in your age group feels the same way. Nobody "gets" you. Nobody can "connect" with you. Or, more precisely, you don't "get" other people. You can't "connect" with other people. Because you don't try. You don't view others as equal (in other words, you're a narcissist), and that's why you don't even try to connect with them. Because they're "inferior" (or whatever). You think that, if someone doesn't like the exact same things you like on the exact same level you like them, they're somehow "worse" than you are. We are not. We are just different. You view women as some kind of disposable sex units or whatever, because, and I quote, "a relationship seems boring and waist (sic) of [your] identity and emotions". You conflate lust with love and can't understand that people are not what you see on the outside ("I can fall for an girls look anytime but I haven't found a girl which whom I would fall in love for her philosophy and looks this two factors are very important for me and if the girl does not posses that there isn't even a slight chance I will ever fall in love with her. I look for a partner for only one reason to escape loneliness but in the last few weeks I started to practice self love and the want for an partner just faded away.").
You believe yourself to be more intelligent than others. You are wrong. On IQ alone, I bet I can beat you (let me put it this way: when I was a little younger than you are now, I took an IQ test I had on a CD. It was 143, because I got bored three quarters of the way through and just skipped everything that required more than 10 seconds of thought. I took another one online a few months ago and got 180 using the same process - skipping nearly everything about three quarters of the way through due to boredom. Of course, as you know, online tests are unreliable). In terms of knowledge, my understanding of physics (on just about every scale), biology, and chemistry, as well as my knowledge of English, Portuguese, Spanish, and perhaps even French and Latin, not to mention vast (compared to yours) personal experience with relationships (with both women and men) and emotions, probably outweighs yours. And that's just the basics.

Enough berating, I think. Time to show you that you're not alone.
I, too, like philosophy. I can name just about every fallacy there's a name for (in fact, I haven't "met" one fallacy that had a name I didn't know, although I have found one that went by another name that was unfamiliar to me), in Latin and everything. I can even name some that, IMO, deserve a separate name, but are just categorized as non-sequitur or another type of common fallacy (argumentum ad ignorantiam, argumentum ab auctoritate, and so on). I do not like most sports. Never have, and I doubt I ever will. I am, however, healthy in terms of body fat-to-mass ratio (not BMI; there's a huge difference), I eat right (most of the time; I do indulge from time to time), and don't have any problems with strength or speed. Endurance is a different issue altogether. I can't run very far, but I can walk (at a pace most people would consider quick) almost indefinitely and can "outwalk" someone who's running at a regular speed. I have always loved to climb those big walls made of plastic. I also wanted to try skydiving, golf, mountain climbing, and returning to the gym (yes, I've been to the gym; gained 7 kilos of muscle in 3 months, I think. No significant change in body fat, though, as that was not the point). Unfortunately, time constraints made me unable to do all those things.

What about TV? What do you like to watch? I wanted to go on about what I like to watch, but I concluded it'd probably be pointless without knowing what you like.

I do not give less fucks about IQ tests,I'm interested in philosophical thinking,maturity and ethics of a human beeing and don't give a fuck how well you can solve logical problems.

Love: as far as I'm concerned love only exists so we can continue our species there is nothing deeper in love than passing your genes on.You will deny this because our consciousness is split in two one is aware and other is unaware.The unaware part of consciousness is prone to will to survive.The aware part is obedient of the unaware and it can never know what the unaware part has in plan (if this makes any sense) The intellect can only understand how much is needed for passing our genes on. This is why we feel the need to see our girlfriend/boyfriend again,when unconscionably the will to pass our genes on is driving us forward.

And if you think this isn't true,well read on then: Why do you think you feel attracted to some girls and to other not (or to some males and to other not). We can't fall in love with whoever because this way we can't have healthy offspring's. The will to survive ties us to people which whom we can have smart and healthy kids and we are dissuaded from the people who will give us an bad offspring. Love in short is nothing more than willful expression of wanting to continue life!