(June 2, 2014 at 6:39 pm)Heywood Wrote: Your opinion regarding the "he's suffered enough". Are you taking into consideration that US soldiers died looking for this wandering/deserting soldier? If your loved one died looking for this alleged deserter would you still think he suffered enough?

Did he kill them? Or did the Taliban kill them?

My money's on the latter.

Quit looking for a Judas goat, pencil dick.

(June 2, 2014 at 6:39 pm)Heywood Wrote: In your mind the law is nullified because in your opinion the end justified breaking it. Not everyone thinks the way you do. Would it bother you if people called for a criminal investigation?

Blah blah. We both know you're not here to discuss.

(June 2, 2014 at 6:39 pm)Heywood Wrote: Fuck you too, but in all honesty, I haven't made up my mind.

Yes, you have:

(June 2, 2014 at 6:39 pm)Heywood Wrote: Your opinion regarding the "he's suffered enough". Are you taking into consideration that US soldiers died looking for this wandering/deserting soldier? If your loved one died looking for this alleged deserter would you still think he suffered enough?

Seems mighty clear you've already considered him worthless.

(June 2, 2014 at 6:39 pm)Heywood Wrote: I do think we have an obligation to try to free prisoners even if they are deserters. I'm just not convinced it was worth trading 5 Taliban commanders for him.

Let's enumerate the circumstances:
1) The Taliban commanders do nothing (stick to the agreement)
2) The Taliban commanders go back to work (violate the agreement)

1 is just the same as leaving them in Guantanamo (which should have been closed long time ago), 2 is what our intelligence apparatus would like to happen.

(June 2, 2014 at 6:39 pm)Heywood Wrote: I don't buy your argument that releasing these prisoners will help us track down cells.

Guess we didn't track Bin Laden down through his couriers then?

(June 2, 2014 at 6:39 pm)Heywood Wrote: I doubt we surgically implanted homing devices on them.

I doubt the intelligence agencies are as simple minded as you are.

(June 2, 2014 at 6:39 pm)Heywood Wrote: Other prisoners that have been released from Gitmo returned to the fight. There is little reason to think these won't.

Then they will be terminated and that is the end of that.

We got back one more U.S. soldier that we'd normally never get a chance at.

(June 2, 2014 at 6:55 pm)Moros Synackaon Wrote:

(June 2, 2014 at 6:39 pm)Heywood Wrote: Your opinion regarding the "he's suffered enough". Are you taking into consideration that US soldiers died looking for this wandering/deserting soldier? If your loved one died looking for this alleged deserter would you still think he suffered enough?

Did he kill them? Or did the Taliban kill them?

My money's on the latter.

Quit looking for a Judas goat, pencil dick.

(June 2, 2014 at 6:39 pm)Heywood Wrote: In your mind the law is nullified because in your opinion the end justified breaking it. Not everyone thinks the way you do. Would it bother you if people called for a criminal investigation?

Blah blah. We both know you're not here to discuss.

---

(June 2, 2014 at 6:39 pm)Heywood Wrote: Fuck you too, but in all honesty, I haven't made up my mind.

Yes, you have:

(June 2, 2014 at 6:39 pm)Heywood Wrote: Your opinion regarding the "he's suffered enough". Are you taking into consideration that US soldiers died looking for this wandering/deserting soldier? If your loved one died looking for this alleged deserter would you still think he suffered enough?

Seems mighty clear you've already considered him worthless.

(June 2, 2014 at 6:39 pm)Heywood Wrote: I do think we have an obligation to try to free prisoners even if they are deserters. I'm just not convinced it was worth trading 5 Taliban commanders for him.

Let's enumerate the circumstances:
1) The Taliban commanders do nothing (stick to the agreement)
2) The Taliban commanders go back to work (violate the agreement)

1 is just the same as leaving them in Guantanamo (which should have been closed long time ago), 2 is what our intelligence apparatus would like to happen.

(June 2, 2014 at 6:39 pm)Heywood Wrote: I don't buy your argument that releasing these prisoners will help us track down cells.

Guess we didn't track Bin Laden down through his couriers then?

(June 2, 2014 at 6:39 pm)Heywood Wrote: I doubt we surgically implanted homing devices on them.

I doubt the intelligence agencies are as simple minded as you are.

(June 2, 2014 at 6:39 pm)Heywood Wrote: Other prisoners that have been released from Gitmo returned to the fight. There is little reason to think these won't.

Then they will be terminated and that is the end of that.

We got back one more U.S. soldier that we'd normally never get a chance at.

---

Moros you're a dumbass who thinks he can read minds. I didn't say he killed US soldiers. I said US soldiers were killed looking for him. You're being intellectually dishonest.

It is obvious you do not want to have a discussion except as a means to trade insults.

How do we know he was a deserter? Just because he wasn't where he was supposed to be and his weapons were left behind, that doesn't prove anything to me.

(June 2, 2014 at 7:04 pm)Losty Wrote: How do we know he was a deserter? Just because he wasn't where he was supposed to be and his weapons were left behind, that doesn't prove anything to me.

Quote:Friends describe him as a trustworthy and outgoing world traveler who joined the Army in 2008. How he ended up captive remains a bit of a mystery. U.S. officials have declined to go into detail, but soldiers in his platoon say he was pulling guard duty when he put down his weapons and walked off base. He reportedly had sent e-mails to his parents denouncing U.S. activities in Afghanistan, according to 2012 reporting by late Rolling Stone reporter Michael Hastings.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/06/02/us/bowe-be...?hpt=hp_t1

CNN and Rollingstone are hardly right wing sources. While US officials are remaining silent, the people this man worked with are not.

(June 2, 2014 at 7:14 pm)Heywood Wrote:

(June 2, 2014 at 7:04 pm)Losty Wrote: How do we know he was a deserter? Just because he wasn't where he was supposed to be and his weapons were left behind, that doesn't prove anything to me.

Quote:Friends describe him as a trustworthy and outgoing world traveler who joined the Army in 2008. How he ended up captive remains a bit of a mystery. U.S. officials have declined to go into detail, but soldiers in his platoon say he was pulling guard duty when he put down his weapons and walked off base. He reportedly had sent e-mails to his parents denouncing U.S. activities in Afghanistan, according to 2012 reporting by late Rolling Stone reporter Michael Hastings.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/06/02/us/bowe-be...?hpt=hp_t1

CNN and Rollingstone are hardly right wing sources. While US officials are remaining silent, the people this man worked with are not.

I didn't say they were right wing. I was just asking a question. I haven't been keeping up with this.

(June 2, 2014 at 7:27 pm)Losty Wrote:

(June 2, 2014 at 7:14 pm)Heywood Wrote: http://www.cnn.com/2014/06/02/us/bowe-be...?hpt=hp_t1

CNN and Rollingstone are hardly right wing sources. While US officials are remaining silent, the people this man worked with are not.

I didn't say they were right wing. I was just asking a question. I haven't been keeping up with this.

The right wing comment was directed at liberal locksteppers like Minimalist and not you. Sorry if that implication was made. I don't think of you as a lockstepper(a liberal yes...but not mindless drone like Minimalist). Your post was just the vehicle I used because it was the one where I included a third party source.

(June 2, 2014 at 7:14 pm)Heywood Wrote:

(June 2, 2014 at 7:04 pm)Losty Wrote: How do we know he was a deserter? Just because he wasn't where he was supposed to be and his weapons were left behind, that doesn't prove anything to me.

Quote:Friends describe him as a trustworthy and outgoing world traveler who joined the Army in 2008. How he ended up captive remains a bit of a mystery. U.S. officials have declined to go into detail, but soldiers in his platoon say he was pulling guard duty when he put down his weapons and walked off base. He reportedly had sent e-mails to his parents denouncing U.S. activities in Afghanistan, according to 2012 reporting by late Rolling Stone reporter Michael Hastings.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/06/02/us/bowe-be...?hpt=hp_t1

CNN and Rollingstone are hardly right wing sources. While US officials are remaining silent, the people this man worked with are not.

I don't know what to make of the guy yet. I'm still undecided. But to exchange five high level Taliban terrorists....there was no other way? It's obvious from some emails that he sent his parents that he had denounced America, the country he swore to serve.

(June 2, 2014 at 5:55 pm)Chuck Wrote: We should instead have traded Heywood for Bergdalh, and thus have stuck the taliban with something even dumber and more worthless than a deserter stupid enough to think he has somewhere to desert to in afghanistan.

Chuck, I was really hoping you would comment. You're a smart guy who can come up with some insightful comments.....its too bad you're a bit of a dick.

(June 2, 2014 at 1:09 pm)Dragonetti Wrote: Lets just say, I was watching some TV. It was a crazy event in the office, and not many people knew what was going on.

Cool story bro.

This happen when I was at Afghanistan.

There are three rumors!

1. He some how got left behind during patrol. He left out of the patrol some how. This one morphed to his team members hated him and left behind on purpose.

2. He was looking for drugs and left.

3. He was delusional, grab a knife and canteen. He wanted to walk back to USA. This rumor morphed to the deserter.

FACTS:

No one in current military knows how it happen. Hell they didn't even know how it happen at the time of the event.