(June 7, 2014 at 11:42 am)mickiel Wrote: There is even a church that calls itself " Christian science";, interesting meld;

http://oncedelivered.net/2008/04/03/comp...n-science/

Yes, we're all well aware that christianity is hilariously inept at detecting the ironic nature of its doublespeak. What was your point?

(June 7, 2014 at 11:54 am)Cato Wrote:

(June 7, 2014 at 11:42 am)mickiel Wrote: There is even a church that calls itself " Christian science";, interesting meld;

http://oncedelivered.net/2008/04/03/comp...n-science/

More a case of mistaken identity than meld. There is nothing scientific in Christian Science and cannot be construed as a mixture of Christianity and science. Christian Science is a misnomer.

I completely agree; I have seen nothing of science in it, outside of more focus on health issues;

http://christianscience.com/what-is-christian-science

Yet the concept of combining the term scientist with it, I think is what keeps it unique. And gains in its membership.

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(June 7, 2014 at 12:05 pm)Esquilax Wrote:

(June 7, 2014 at 11:42 am)mickiel Wrote: There is even a church that calls itself " Christian science";, interesting meld;

http://oncedelivered.net/2008/04/03/comp...n-science/

Yes, we're all well aware that christianity is hilariously inept at detecting the ironic nature of its doublespeak. What was your point?

I think we will see the church try to get back into science ; especially the catholic church; it misses its child.

(June 7, 2014 at 12:07 pm)mickiel Wrote: I think we will see the church try to get back into science ; especially the catholic church; it misses its child.

I rather think we have, in all this intelligent design nonsense. It's quite telling to me that so far the attempts have been to sneak christianity into science; its almost as if theistic beliefs can't bear up under the minimum standards of the scientific method.

At any rate, it says a lot about the respect certain fundamentalist sects have for the process of science, that they'd try such cloak and dagger stuff.

(June 5, 2014 at 9:45 pm)mickiel Wrote: And the church was its mother. A fact many Atheist seem to be unaware of. Or would soon forget. You would be surprised to see how many scientist were believers in God that actually founded some serious science.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Chr...in_science

I am not a religious man or a Christian, but I am often amused at how some Atheist seem to use science as a type of weapon against religion, not knowing that science was once a bedfellow with religion.

NO. Evolution has provided humans with a level of cognition to allow for discovery. However we can see other animals think their way through a problem and even use tools. Octopi are problem solvers. My dog also no matter how many times I plug up holes in my chain fence, she figures a way out.

Humans falsely attach their discoveries to being proof of their particular club or god claim being true. Religion is not a requirement to understand science nor it is the patent holder of science.

(June 7, 2014 at 12:15 pm)Esquilax Wrote:

(June 7, 2014 at 12:07 pm)mickiel Wrote: I think we will see the church try to get back into science ; especially the catholic church; it misses its child.

I rather think we have, in all this intelligent design nonsense. It's quite telling to me that so far the attempts have been to sneak christianity into science; its almost as if theistic beliefs can't bear up under the minimum standards of the scientific method.

At any rate, it says a lot about the respect certain fundamentalist sects have for the process of science, that they'd try such cloak and dagger stuff.

In my view, intelligent design is not nonsense, its intelligent. This world was not designed by an idiot, nor did it spawn from the idiotic view of a self creating, self designing and self generating nebulous nothing.

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(June 7, 2014 at 12:19 pm)Brian37 Wrote:

(June 5, 2014 at 9:45 pm)mickiel Wrote: And the church was its mother. A fact many Atheist seem to be unaware of. Or would soon forget. You would be surprised to see how many scientist were believers in God that actually founded some serious science.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Chr...in_science

I am not a religious man or a Christian, but I am often amused at how some Atheist seem to use science as a type of weapon against religion, not knowing that science was once a bedfellow with religion.

NO. Evolution has provided humans with a level of cognition to allow for discovery. However we can see other animals think their way through a problem and even use tools. Octopi are problem solvers. My dog also no matter how many times I plug up holes in my chain fence, she figures a way out.

Humans falsely attach their discoveries to being proof of their particular club or god claim being true. Religion is not a requirement to understand science nor it is the patent holder of science.

Your dog does not know its a dog, it does not know you are a human, it has no idea why it is alive, it does not know what time it is, it doesn't know what city you live in, it can't spell you're name, it exist entirely on instinct, no matter how you may defend this, you cannot give you're dog the level of conscious awareness that you have.

You're dog does not have the spirit you have. You're keen awareness comes from that spirit.

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(June 7, 2014 at 12:19 pm)Brian37 Wrote: Humans falsely attach their discoveries to being proof of their particular club or god claim being true. Religion is not a requirement to understand science nor it is the patent holder of science.

Very well said, I agree; religion wants to get the hold back that it once had on science.

(June 7, 2014 at 12:07 pm)mickiel Wrote: Yet the concept of combining the term scientist with it, I think is what keeps it unique. And gains in its membership.

Christian Science membership has been declining for decades. Quit making shit up.

So the fuck what, no she does not know she is a dog, what does that have to do with a damned thing. She is a mammal and I am a mammal as well as dolphins and whales. ALL LIFE is traced back to DNA. Our evolving to have a higher sense of cognition does not make us above evolution. We were not the first species on this planet. Our level of awareness is an outcome of billions of years of all life evolving. We are one species on this planet but we were not the first.

You have DNA in you related to worms, grass, bacteria, cockroaches, trees. If you cant understand that or accept that that is your fault, not mine.

(June 7, 2014 at 12:19 pm)mickiel Wrote: Very well said, I agree; religion wants to get the hold back that it once had on science.

That genie will never be rebottled. Let's also be clear about something, the only hold religion had on science was via intimidation and oppression. Religion was never a contributor, partner, or champion of scientific endeavor.

Adenine
Guanine
Thymine
Cytosine

ALL LIFE is comprised of those.

(June 7, 2014 at 12:27 pm)Cato Wrote:

(June 7, 2014 at 12:07 pm)mickiel Wrote: Yet the concept of combining the term scientist with it, I think is what keeps it unique. And gains in its membership.

Christian Science membership has been declining for decades. Quit making shit up.

Declining membership has nothing to do with members gained. Two different things.

All religions have declines and gains;

even the number of atheist is declining;

http://www.wnd.com/2013/07/global-study-...n-decline/

I don't make stuff up, you just misunderstand my stuff.