(June 7, 2014 at 12:33 pm)Cato Wrote:

(June 7, 2014 at 12:19 pm)mickiel Wrote: Very well said, I agree; religion wants to get the hold back that it once had on science.

That genie will never be rebottled. Let's also be clear about something, the only hold religion had on science was via intimidation and oppression. Religion was never a contributor, partner, or champion of scientific endeavor.

At best what religion does is the Johny come lately crap, only accepts it after being drug kicking and screaming like a bratty kid when told Santa are their parents. But instead of giving up on bad claims, the try to use it to prop up their own superstitions.

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(June 7, 2014 at 12:35 pm)mickiel Wrote:

(June 7, 2014 at 12:27 pm)Cato Wrote: Christian Science membership has been declining for decades. Quit making shit up.

Declining membership has nothing to do with members gained. Two different things.

All religions have declines and gains;

even the number of atheist is declining;

http://www.wnd.com/2013/07/global-study-...n-decline/

I don't make stuff up, you just misunderstand my stuff.

You quote an apology rag and call that fact? You must really think we are stupid.

(June 7, 2014 at 12:33 pm)Brian37 Wrote: So the fuck what, no she does not know she is a dog, what does that have to do with a damned thing. She is a mammal and I am a mammal as well as dolphins and whales. ALL LIFE is traced back to DNA. Our evolving to have a higher sense of cognition does not make us above evolution. We were not the first species on this planet. Our level of awareness is an outcome of billions of years of all life evolving. We are one species on this planet but we were not the first.

You have DNA in you related to worms, grass, bacteria, cockroaches, trees. If you cant understand that or accept that that is your fault, not mine.

I accept our DNA, I reject that it began by crawling out from under a rock; our level of awareness is an outcome of being continuous with a creating being of awareness; we are not continuous with the idiot hierarchy of speechless apes.

(June 7, 2014 at 12:39 pm)mickiel Wrote:

(June 7, 2014 at 12:33 pm)Brian37 Wrote: So the fuck what, no she does not know she is a dog, what does that have to do with a damned thing. She is a mammal and I am a mammal as well as dolphins and whales. ALL LIFE is traced back to DNA. Our evolving to have a higher sense of cognition does not make us above evolution. We were not the first species on this planet. Our level of awareness is an outcome of billions of years of all life evolving. We are one species on this planet but we were not the first.

You have DNA in you related to worms, grass, bacteria, cockroaches, trees. If you cant understand that or accept that that is your fault, not mine.

I accept our DNA, I reject that it began by crawling out from under a rock; our level of awareness is an outcome of being continuous with a creating being of awareness; we are not continuous with the idiot hierarchy of speechless apes.

BULLSHIT, you don't get to cherry pick science. Science proves that all primates had common ancestors. Science doesn't give one fuck that you don't like it. Tough shit.

(June 7, 2014 at 12:41 pm)Brian37 Wrote:

(June 7, 2014 at 12:39 pm)mickiel Wrote: I accept our DNA, I reject that it began by crawling out from under a rock; our level of awareness is an outcome of being continuous with a creating being of awareness; we are not continuous with the idiot hierarchy of speechless apes.

BULLSHIT, you don't get to cherry pick science. Science proves that all primates had common ancestors. Science doesn't give one fuck that you don't like it. Tough shit.

Dazzaling display of cursing; makes me wonder if you could make you're points without use of it. Or perhaps you draw you're emotion and strength in debate from it?

Most curious?

I see nothing wrong with cherry picking? If the cherry was not there, it could not be picked.

^ Why are we even entertaining this wilfully ignorant moron?

(June 7, 2014 at 12:53 pm)Napoléon Wrote: ^ Why are we even entertaining this wilfully ignorant moron?

I wonder why myself?

Why are you so interested, if you are not interested?

mickiel has what we in the professional business call "A serious case of blimp-sized ego", or, in layman's terms, "Egocentrism". He simply can't believe we came from things "lower" than ourselves. Therefore, mickiel must also disbelieve in his own birth and every moment up to the last moment his brain was able to process, as that would mean he used to be "lower" than he is now.

(June 7, 2014 at 12:51 pm)mickiel Wrote:

(June 7, 2014 at 12:41 pm)Brian37 Wrote: BULLSHIT, you don't get to cherry pick science. Science proves that all primates had common ancestors. Science doesn't give one fuck that you don't like it. Tough shit.

Dazzaling display of cursing; makes me wonder if you could make you're points without use of it. Or perhaps you draw you're emotion and strength in debate from it?

Most curious?

I see nothing wrong with cherry picking? If the cherry was not there, it could not be picked.

Dazzling display of your own fucking ignorance. Damned right I wont take you seriously and YES it does fucking piss me off when assholes like you treat science like a kaleidoscope to prop up your own bullshit claim.

We shared common ancestors with other primates. PERIOD. Just like any fucking moron, accept you obviously, can look at a domestic house cat and a tiger and see that they have common traits and DNA also proves they also had common ancestors.

Just like a Cobra and rattlesnake share the same ancestors. Just like wolves and domesticated dogs share the same DNA. Humans are no different.

Stop peddling your bullshit lies here.

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(June 7, 2014 at 12:57 pm)mickiel Wrote:

(June 7, 2014 at 12:53 pm)Napoléon Wrote: ^ Why are we even entertaining this wilfully ignorant moron?

I wonder why myself?

Why are you so interested, if you are not interested?

For the same reason we wouldn't be interested if you claimed a invisible unicorn farted DNA to start all this. BULLSHIT IS BULLSHIT.

You cant handle mundane reality, that is your fucking baggage, not ours.

(June 7, 2014 at 12:35 pm)mickiel Wrote: Declining membership has nothing to do with members gained. Two different things.

This was an incredibly stupid fucking thing to say.

(June 7, 2014 at 12:19 pm)mickiel Wrote: In my view, intelligent design is not nonsense, its intelligent. This world was not designed by an idiot, nor did it spawn from the idiotic view of a self creating, self designing and self generating nebulous nothing.

The world wasn't designed at all. It's the result of a cascading series of physical phenomena happening one after the other, scaffolding itself up to complexity from simpler beginnings in line with consistent laws of physics. No matter the amount of emotionally charged rhetoric you inject into that description in order to horrify the prideful nature of theists, you won't change the fact that all of this comes not out of design, but out of simple consequences, unconscious and unguided.