(June 8, 2014 at 4:48 pm)Jose Wrote: whateverist: The reason why you fail to be persuaded of any god is because the faith that you need to believe in God it's not of the kind: ''I need to see to believe'', it is the faith that comes as a spiritual gift from God. It is not a faith that you can auto-impose. So don't feel guilty about it, maybe it's not your time to believe.

There's one of the problems.
It's a faith of, "I'm going to believe it because I want to believe it." If no 'evidence' is required for that faith, then you can pretty much have faith in anything you choose to.

LostLocke: My advice to you is to continue searching for truth through historical secular documents from respected sources in any library or the internet, I can recommend you researching about the Inquisition, the Christian life during the times of Nero and Christianity in the times of Constantine.

(June 8, 2014 at 5:09 pm)Jose Wrote: LostLocke: My advice to you is to continue searching for truth through historical secular documents from respected sources in any library or the internet, I can recommend you researching about the Inquisition, the Christian life during the times of Nero and Christianity in the times of Constantine.

Why do they always point at Constantine as proof Jesus took down mighty Rome. Rome didn't fall because of Jesus nor did it convert to Christianity because of Jesus. Rome had long since been spreading itself out too far and would have fallen to a new power even if Christianity had not grown. Constantine converted for political expedience.

Just like Egypt went from polytheism to Islam. Old ways and powers get old new ways and new powers take over. NO magic or gods involved.

Also not to mention if a real man named Jesus existed OUTSIDE that comic book, the Romans were apt census takers and would have taken notice of an upstart challenging their power. However, in REAL history, outside that comic book, there is no mention of that alleged character in Roman history during what the bible claims as when he existed. The first Gospels were not even written until way after his alleged death. And please don't bring up Josephus.



Not to mention magic babies don't happen. It requires two sets of DNA to make a baby.

(June 8, 2014 at 4:48 pm)Jose Wrote: whateverist: The reason why you fail to be persuaded of any god is because the faith that you need to believe in God it's not of the kind: ''I need to see to believe'', it is the faith that comes as a spiritual gift from God. It is not a faith that you can auto-impose. So don't feel guilty about it, maybe it's not your time to believe.

Thanks so much. And just in case it is I who see the right of it and you who are mistaken in this regard, don't feel too bad. Once you're dead, you won't know that you're compost. Obviously it is your time to believe fantastic things without evidence. Enjoy that.

(June 8, 2014 at 4:48 pm)Jose Wrote: whateverist: The reason why you fail to be persuaded of any god is because the faith that you need to believe in God it's not of the kind: ''I need to see to believe'', it is the faith that comes as a spiritual gift from God.

There's the important part.
You are saying you don't need 'evidence', but now you are telling me to look for evidence.

Jose, if you want something more cleaver try defending that comic book with science. Like claiming Aquinas new about modern Quantum Mechanics. Or maybe do what I've seen Muslims do, quote a Koran vs to prove they knew about a red Nebula. Or you can even try to justify the flood with science, seen that too.

(June 8, 2014 at 4:48 pm)Jose Wrote: Napoleon: I used to be an ''inner'' pedophile but I've already abandoned that habit, therefore I am free from pedophilia. You can find God purposes for humanity in the Bible. I have never seen God. God didn't tempted me, I fell by myself and got trapped, and the more I fell the more difficult it was to get out. God don't give people ''pedophile desires'', the people are the ones who fall and make a habit out of it. The reason why God appears to be crazy is because most of us come from societies that don't give the whole picture about the true character of God.

That's nice.

So was it the big G.O.D. that turned you away from being a paedophile?

Read this and feel free to make conclusions: http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=57378

(June 8, 2014 at 6:52 pm)Jose Wrote: Read this and feel free to make conclusions: http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=57378

Feel free to make your own arguments here.

(June 8, 2014 at 4:48 pm)Jose Wrote: Napoleon: I used to be an ''inner'' pedophile but I've already abandoned that habit, therefore I am free from pedophilia.

There is no "cure" for those sort of desires.

(June 8, 2014 at 4:48 pm)Jose Wrote: You can find God purposes for humanity in the Bible. I have never seen God. God didn't tempted me, I fell by myself and got trapped, and the more I fell the more difficult it was to get out. God don't give people ''pedophile desires'',

Raping children is not a "habit." Smoking is a habit. Wearing a team jersey to games is a habit.

(June 8, 2014 at 4:48 pm)Jose Wrote: the people are the ones who fall and make a habit out of it. The reason why God appears to be crazy is because most of us come from societies that don't give the whole picture about the true character of God.

Perhaps you could elucidate the true character of God that the societies we come from have failed to.

(June 8, 2014 at 4:48 pm)Jose Wrote: JesusHChrist: Can you tell me at what age did you started with fornication? Did someone older than you gave you that idea? Are you struggling with it? Have you ever been visited by invisible entities at night or dawn? If you have been visited at night or feel as If someone invisible is spying on you at night or having sexual dreams you are being visited by the succubus demon. There has been a lot of witnesses about this.

I'm having a hard time taking accusations of fornication seriously from someone who admits to fantasizing about molesting children.

(June 8, 2014 at 4:48 pm)Jose Wrote: Becs: By practicing I mean making a habit out of it.

So as long as it's in moderation, right?

(June 8, 2014 at 4:48 pm)Jose Wrote: whateverist: The reason why you fail to be persuaded of any god is because the faith that you need to believe in God it's not of the kind: ''I need to see to believe'', it is the faith that comes as a spiritual gift from God. It is not a faith that you can auto-impose. So don't feel guilty about it, maybe it's not your time to believe.