(June 15, 2014 at 4:54 am)Esquilax Wrote:

(June 15, 2014 at 4:48 am)ronedee Wrote: What proof do you have to the contrary?

Again, shifting the burden of proof won't work on... thinking beings. Do you have to disprove every claim I make or else believe it?

Quote:"IF" their is a God, doesn't He get to make the rules? If you live and breathe what more do you need from Him?

That's a pretty big if that you haven't even attempted to demonstrate, and even if you could that doesn't necessarily mean that god gets to make all the rules.

Quote:What do you actually want The Supreme Ruler of the Universe to do for YOU!

Given that I don't believe he exists, I don't really want him to do anything. This is a non-sequitur anyway, probably added in to try and distract from the unjustified presuppositions you're using here, and your inability to provide evidence for the things you believe.

Quote:That is very humorous to me! What do you want from GOD! What do YOU deserve? What does He owe YOU?

Things that haven't been demonstrated to exist can't do anything, so it'd be very silly of me to want anything from him. Enough dodging though: do you understand the burden of proof or not?

LOL! I love how you and the others breakout the exacto knife when you are backed into a corner! Sorta like a rain dance for lame answers!

Your roper-dope only works on dopes Moham&egger!

(June 15, 2014 at 5:00 am)ronedee Wrote:

(June 15, 2014 at 4:54 am)Esquilax Wrote: Again, shifting the burden of proof won't work on... thinking beings. Do you have to disprove every claim I make or else believe it?


That's a pretty big if that you haven't even attempted to demonstrate, and even if you could that doesn't necessarily mean that god gets to make all the rules.


Given that I don't believe he exists, I don't really want him to do anything. This is a non-sequitur anyway, probably added in to try and distract from the unjustified presuppositions you're using here, and your inability to provide evidence for the things you believe.


Things that haven't been demonstrated to exist can't do anything, so it'd be very silly of me to want anything from him. Enough dodging though: do you understand the burden of proof or not?

LOL! I love how you and the others breakout the exacto knife when you are backed into a corner! Sorta like a rain dance for lame answers!

Your roper-dope only works on dopes Moham&egger!

This "tough guy" talk is lame, especially when unwarranted given that we are taking your arguments seriously enough to address point by point, absurd as they are.

(June 15, 2014 at 5:00 am)ronedee Wrote: LOL! I love how you and the others breakout the exacto knife when you are backed into a corner! Sorta like a rain dance for lame answers!

Your roper-dope only works on dopes Moham&egger!

The fact that you load your posts with so many fallacies and inaccuracies that I have to go through sentence by sentence shouldn't be a point of pride for you, boyo.

(June 15, 2014 at 5:00 am)ronedee Wrote: .. I love how you and the others breakout the exacto knife when you are backed into a corner! ..

Really?? Backed into a corner? Have you been reading the same posts as the rest of us? I know one must be a special kind of stupid to be catholic and believe that the pope is a spiritual cabana boy for jesus, but you are taking the stupid to the extreme here. I hope for your sake that you're merely drunk or have recently hit your head..

Your claim is like pointing at a boat on the lake and exclaiming that because boats can float it is evidence the Noah's ark story is true.

I don't know why anyone bothers to try to prove god in this particular way. Suppose the existence of everything were proof of a creator (that's a big assumption but let's suppose it for a moment). It wouldn't be proof of anything more than that a thing once existed that created the universe. It would not prove that the thing didn't die with the effort, is still around, has powers other than that of creating universes, is part of this universe, is interested in people, or much of anything really. Certainly it wouldn't prove that it was Allah, the Christian God, Vishnu, Cronus, or anything else in particular. That is why saying, "a creator did it" doesn't really saying anything more than "it just happened."

(June 15, 2014 at 5:00 am)ronedee Wrote:

(June 15, 2014 at 4:54 am)Esquilax Wrote: Again, shifting the burden of proof won't work on... thinking beings. Do you have to disprove every claim I make or else believe it?


That's a pretty big if that you haven't even attempted to demonstrate, and even if you could that doesn't necessarily mean that god gets to make all the rules.


Given that I don't believe he exists, I don't really want him to do anything. This is a non-sequitur anyway, probably added in to try and distract from the unjustified presuppositions you're using here, and your inability to provide evidence for the things you believe.


Things that haven't been demonstrated to exist can't do anything, so it'd be very silly of me to want anything from him. Enough dodging though: do you understand the burden of proof or not?

LOL! I love how you and the others breakout the exacto knife when you are backed into a corner! Sorta like a rain dance for lame answers!

Your roper-dope only works on dopes Moham&egger!

Backed into What corner - ?

So far - humans have named far more than 100,000 so called "gods".
And they have created far more religions about those gods - there are over 40,000 different version of xtianity in the USA alone.

And gods have actually existed - and they can be proven to have existed (As defined by their religions) - we actually have the physical remains of LOTS of these gods. Many of these long predate xtianity.

Using physical things like the existence of the Universe - to claim a god is real - fails to connect the dots to ANY particular religion - or even any particular group of them - even if it were evidence to begin with.

When you claim your god exists - YOUR words are only as good as the PROOF you offer to support your statement.
And if you cannot support your statement - we do not have to refute it - we can simply reject it as UNFOUNDED

Catholics are a special kinda people. Even when I was a believer I thought they were arrogant pompous judgers who leaned on the longlasting marble of their temples to prove that they had a point. Hasn't Catholicism been debunked as Not True Christianity?

Cab I get a hail Mary?

(June 15, 2014 at 4:12 am)ronedee Wrote:

(June 15, 2014 at 4:10 am)Irrational Wrote: This is a claim, not proof.

For who?

For anyone. Saying it's so because it says so in the Bible is a claim without proof. Knowing it in your heart is only evidence to you. And given all the people who find contrary things in their hearts not very good evidence.

(June 15, 2014 at 7:43 pm)Jenny A Wrote: Knowing it in your heart is only evidence to you.

And a very weak one at that.