(July 25, 2014 at 9:54 pm)Minimalist Wrote:

(July 25, 2014 at 7:42 pm)A Theist Wrote: I think barack obama and Western Europe should find their backbones, build stronger alliances and support with the Eastern European countries and contain Putin.

You still here, Adolf? I thought you took a rifle and headed off to fight the Bolsheviks on the Eastern Front like your fuhrer wanted?

Yeah, I'm still here, Joseph. I figured you'd be missing me by now. Besides, we have enough Bolsheviks on the Home Front to fight. Midterms coming this November. Gotta vote your commie buddies out of the House and Senate.

(July 25, 2014 at 11:34 pm)A Theist Wrote: Yeah, I'm still here, Joseph. I figured you'd be missing me by now. Besides, we have enough Bolsheviks on the Home Front to fight. Midterms coming this November. Gotta vote your commie buddies out of the House and Senate.

No thanks, I rather like the fire department.

(July 25, 2014 at 11:34 pm)Alice Wrote: It's kind of inspiring to think that Putin might restore Czardom in Russia if given enough time That'd be pretty impressive.

The problem for the USA, is that if we're at the forefront of removing Putin, and we're there from the start... other nations are quite likely to see it as the USA going for yet another oil grab (Kuwait, Saudi), and we can't hold a claim in Ukraine if we're at war with a Russia that has annexed Ukraine. It would take a considerable force to meet it, and as the US has a pretty sweet deal in Saudi: it would be ridiculous for them to risk initiating a war that will cost them more than the oil fields of Ukraine are worth.

The flow would slow, sure... but it's still tenable.

It is NOT inspiring to see Putin re-establish the czar system. Totalitarianism either in the form of a czar or stalinistic system will not help Russia and would create more instability throughout the region.

(July 26, 2014 at 7:35 pm)CristW Wrote: It is NOT inspiring to see Putin re-establish the czar system. Totalitarianism either in the form of a czar or stalinistic system will not help Russia and would create more instability throughout the region.

It'd be quite impressive, hence its being pulled off is inspiring. Perhaps not to you, but if there's one thing CCCP could do: it's maintain order. If he married the systems together, it'd be very interesting.

(July 27, 2014 at 12:36 am)Alice Wrote:

(July 26, 2014 at 7:35 pm)CristW Wrote: It is NOT inspiring to see Putin re-establish the czar system. Totalitarianism either in the form of a czar or stalinistic system will not help Russia and would create more instability throughout the region.

It'd be quite impressive, hence its being pulled off is inspiring. Perhaps not to you, but if there's one thing CCCP could do: it's maintain order. If he married the systems together, it'd be very interesting.

You may be right, since the Chinese communist party was able to maintain some kind of relative order but they liberalized their market to foreign competition. In the case of Russia, the situation calls for the liberalization of the political structure. In other words, away from the conservative order(monarchy/czar system) and to a more liberalized order(separation of powers and responsibility). Yet, again even if "liberalized" the problem of nationalism is an issue or problem.

The epicenter of the problem is now really at the Ukrainian government. The Ukrainians could have called for a FEDERAList system(National government / individual state government interaction). Donetsk could have been simply a state within the Ukrainian Federal republic! Of course, a state which could develop its own characteristics without separating from Ukraine. The same could been done for Crimea. I do not understand how the Ukrainian missed this issue unless they were looking at the German federal system rather than the United States federal system?

remove putin HA curious how would we go about removing putin we tryed to remove castro dozens of times look how that turned out old age removed him from office before we could