If Israel is going to be a Talmud State then we ought to nuke them now because it would prevent a lot of problems in the future.

(August 10, 2014 at 2:17 pm)Brian37 Wrote: If Israel is secular then claiming to base it on the Talmud is just as contradictory.

But it's not based on the Talmud.

Israel on Tuesday said it will now allow Jews to immigrate to Tel Aviv with their non-Jewish same-sex spouses.

Israeli Interior Minister Gideon Saar told immigration authorities not to differentiate between married gay and straight couples.

SEE: http://www.reddit.com/tb/2dbzs2

(August 13, 2014 at 1:45 am)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote: If Israel is going to be a Talmud State then we ought to nuke them now because it would prevent a lot of problems in the future.

Um no, religion already is good at "scorched earth" mentality. Getting humans to a more secular attitude takes time. Neither side is going away but with louder voices and youth not buying into the tribalism of their parents, plus combat fatigue, things can change. The only trick is to keep the old guard from blowing things up.

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(August 13, 2014 at 5:20 am)little_monkey Wrote:

(August 10, 2014 at 2:17 pm)Brian37 Wrote: If Israel is secular then claiming to base it on the Talmud is just as contradictory.

But it's not based on the Talmud.

Israel on Tuesday said it will now allow Jews to immigrate to Tel Aviv with their non-Jewish same-sex spouses.

Israeli Interior Minister Gideon Saar told immigration authorities not to differentiate between married gay and straight couples.

SEE: http://www.reddit.com/tb/2dbzs2

Oh bull fucking shit. That is no different than when Libertarians throw pot and gay marriage at you to get you to ignore that they have the same "economic" "fuck you I got mine" economic policy.

YES Israel allows for gay marriage. That still does not change that if you do not share the label "Jew" you are a house guest in their social pecking order. They are basing national law on the Talmud, and Netenyahu said so. That is no different to me when even a liberal Christian says to me "you are equal" but this is a "Christian nation".

You cannot wink in law language at anyone. You can only have equal protection. It is not equal to say "I am special, and so are you, but I am most favored by my government".

"Jewish state" is still state law playing favorites to one label over another. It is not equality to treat a fellow citizen like that, you are treating minorities at that point as pets or house guests or tokens"

The only language the state should have is "freedom of religion" and " equal protection" without name dropping any group name.

(August 13, 2014 at 11:59 am)Brian37 Wrote:

(August 13, 2014 at 1:45 am)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote: If Israel is going to be a Talmud State then we ought to nuke them now because it would prevent a lot of problems in the future.

Um no, religion already is good at "scorched earth" mentality. Getting humans to a more secular attitude takes time. Neither side is going away but with louder voices and youth not buying into the tribalism of their parents, plus combat fatigue, things can change. The only trick is to keep the old guard from blowing things up.

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(August 13, 2014 at 5:20 am)little_monkey Wrote: But it's not based on the Talmud.

Israel on Tuesday said it will now allow Jews to immigrate to Tel Aviv with their non-Jewish same-sex spouses.

Israeli Interior Minister Gideon Saar told immigration authorities not to differentiate between married gay and straight couples.

SEE: http://www.reddit.com/tb/2dbzs2

Oh bull fucking shit. That is no different than when Libertarians throw pot and gay marriage at you to get you to ignore that they have the same "economic" "fuck you I got mine" economic policy.

YES Israel allows for gay marriage. That still does not change that if you do not share the label "Jew" you are a house guest in their social pecking order. They are basing national law on the Talmud, and Netenyahu said so. That is no different to me when even a liberal Christian says to me "you are equal" but this is a "Christian nation".

You cannot wink in law language at anyone. You can only have equal protection. It is not equal to say "I am special, and so are you, but I am most favored by my government".

"Jewish state" is still state law playing favorites to one label over another. It is not equality to treat a fellow citizen like that, you are treating minorities at that point as pets or house guests or tokens"

The only language the state should have is "freedom of religion" and " equal protection" without name dropping any group name.

And you're basing yourself on what Netanyahu says?!?? That would be tantamount to judging the US on the basis of what George W Bush has said.

You can argue that there is a group of people in Israel trying to turn the state into a religious one. On that I will agree, but it's far from being done - just as in the US, the Christian right is trying to turn the country into a Christian nation. But it's far from being done. And in both countries, there are vital opposition to that.

(August 13, 2014 at 2:12 pm)little_monkey Wrote:

(August 13, 2014 at 11:59 am)Brian37 Wrote: Um no, religion already is good at "scorched earth" mentality. Getting humans to a more secular attitude takes time. Neither side is going away but with louder voices and youth not buying into the tribalism of their parents, plus combat fatigue, things can change. The only trick is to keep the old guard from blowing things up.

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Oh bull fucking shit. That is no different than when Libertarians throw pot and gay marriage at you to get you to ignore that they have the same "economic" "fuck you I got mine" economic policy.

YES Israel allows for gay marriage. That still does not change that if you do not share the label "Jew" you are a house guest in their social pecking order. They are basing national law on the Talmud, and Netenyahu said so. That is no different to me when even a liberal Christian says to me "you are equal" but this is a "Christian nation".

You cannot wink in law language at anyone. You can only have equal protection. It is not equal to say "I am special, and so are you, but I am most favored by my government".

"Jewish state" is still state law playing favorites to one label over another. It is not equality to treat a fellow citizen like that, you are treating minorities at that point as pets or house guests or tokens"

The only language the state should have is "freedom of religion" and " equal protection" without name dropping any group name.

And you're basing yourself on what Netanyahu says?!?? That would be tantamount to judging the US on the basis of what George W Bush has said.

You can argue that there is a group of people in Israel trying to turn the state into a religious one. On that I will agree, but it's far from being done - just as in the US, the Christian right is trying to turn the country into a Christian nation. But it's far from being done. And in both countries, there are vital opposition to that.

http://www.timesofisrael.com/netanyahu-r...on-talmud/

Yes I take him seriously, even if they do not get what they want, just like I do not want a majority mass becoming so powerful here that they add words to the Constitution that make us "bible based" laws.

Preventing theocracies are long term issues, not short term battles.

Seems like a good place to stick this.



All too true.