(August 27, 2014 at 10:57 am)Napoléon Wrote:

(August 18, 2014 at 11:35 pm)Drich Wrote: What about cripples, retards, and people with an incurable diseases? Tell us mein fuhrur how they make you sick as well.

Yeah but, being obese is "curable" and it is usually self inflicted.

I would cut some slack for children who have been brought up badly and have been fat since they were very young, as in the OP. It is curable but it's very tough.

(August 27, 2014 at 10:59 am)Diablo Wrote: I would cut some slack for children who have been brought up badly and have been fat since they were very young, as in the OP. It is curable but it's very tough.

That's why I said "usually" self inflicted. I often feel sorry for my nephew, because he doesn't really get to control what he is fed but he's a pretty large kid. So much so he gets the piss taken out of him in school. Parents should be educated far better, and I know people say it isn't child abuse, but I think it's perhaps, at best, negligence on behalf of the parent.

(August 27, 2014 at 3:35 am)Jacob(smooth) Wrote:

Quote: What about cripples, retards, and people with an incurable diseases?

Mostly they indulge in argumentum ad hitlerum on forums.

Its fine drich, no need to feel threatened.

Are you serious?

The op was an attempt to dehumanize a whole section of the population by a physical trait or singular characteristic.. Are you so oblivious to this tactic that you can not draw an imeadiate parallel between what hitler did starting with the " cripples, retarded and sick people" then moving on to the Jews and all other 'genetically impure races/non aryan races?'

Diablo and his supporters are socially criminalizing any diversity beyond what they consider to be normal. Wft is wrong with you people! Wake up!!

Your preaching Diversity is ok, diversity is mandatory, but only with in your specific parameters, or all 'diversity' must first be approved? What is the difference between hitler's blonde hair blue eyed version of diversity and one that says everyone must share the same physical build and beliefs, otherwise they are selectively dehumanized and socially criminalized? You do know this is a step in the direction of oppression, sanctioned bigotry, and social inequality.

Looks like Fat is the new black.

No, we really see no connection between belittling people who are mostly that way due to their own mistakes, and belittling people who were born a certain way or otherwise suffer from things they have no control over.

Most people who are obese are that way because they haven't been taking care of themselves, and could fix on their own. Cripples and retards are not in the same group.

Most cases of obesity are caused by lifestyle, it is a choice, something can be done about it. Being crippled, retarded or sick, is not a lifestyle choice, nothing can be done to fix it. The fact that you would even attempt to compare these two and essentially call the OP a nazi, is ridiculous.

(August 27, 2014 at 10:24 pm)Chad32 Wrote: No, we really see no connection between belittling people who are mostly that way due to their own mistakes, and belittling people who were born a certain way or otherwise suffer from things they have no control over.

Most people who are obese are that way because they haven't been taking care of themselves, and could fix on their own. Cripples and retards are not in the same group.

I just have to say that I think belittling people is wrong regardless of whether or not they are at fault for becoming whatever it is you're belittling them for.

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You know, I am not a stickler for PC language, but is there some reason why we are saying cripple and retard as if they're not blatantly offensive terms?

(August 27, 2014 at 10:57 am)Napoléon Wrote:

(August 18, 2014 at 11:35 pm)Drich Wrote: What about cripples, retards, and people with an incurable diseases? Tell us mein fuhrur how they make you sick as well.

Yeah but, being obese is "curable" and it is usually self inflicted.

Ask you buddy Al roker how curable it is.

Would you say being gay is curable? Would you say to someone with a family history of suicides, to just buck up? If you just stop feeling sorry for yourself everything will be ok?

What makes people born into a family history of obesity any different? Don't you get the trigger for eating and the signal to stop eating all come from the same place that those who claim the were born gay, and those who are prone to depression and suicidal thoughts orginate their predispositions from?

Are all of you so oblivious and blind that you can put these two things together on your own without a doctor oz or oprah telling you to think this way?

I'm no oprah, but for me, if the same thinking organ who's signles and desires are so strong as to make one man lust after another man. despite supposedly a hundred trillion years of monkey loving evolution telling him otherwise.. But, can't help himself looking for another dude ... This is somehow ok.. Or if this thinking organ tells us that yes we have everything, and yes we maybe an award winning actor, but life is not worth living even though you have captivated a whole nation full of people in film and on tv, that this too is beyond the control of the person who has these thoughts...

But, for the person like al roker and oprah who's brains are hard wired for high caloric I takes, who try and fail, and fail and fail to keep the weight off, are somehow less than socially acceptable?

These two were accepted, but what of everyone else hard wired that way? Are you saying it is ok to have certain uncontrollable desires and not others? Where is this line drawn? Who draws it?

Wow. Drich is tilting at straw-men again I see.

(August 27, 2014 at 10:24 pm)Chad32 Wrote: No, we really see no connection between belittling people who are mostly that way due to their own mistakes, and belittling people who were born a certain way or otherwise suffer from things they have no control over.

Most people who are obese are that way because they haven't been taking care of themselves, and could fix on their own. Cripples and retards are not in the same group.

The use of the terms' cripples and retards' was an example of how hitler dehumanized and targeted the 'weak' parts of humanity and socially ear marked them for elimination from his ideal of a perfect soceity... This is in parallel with how diablo and yourself have used the word obese. You have taken the humanity out of fat people and sentenced them out casts. This was exactly what hitler did when the undesirables were labeled in his Germany.

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(August 27, 2014 at 10:51 pm)GalacticBusDriver Wrote: Wow. Drich is tilting at straw-men again I see.

Explain

(August 27, 2014 at 10:47 pm)Drich Wrote: Would you say being gay is curable?

No, because you are born that way and it doesn't need to be cured.

(August 27, 2014 at 10:47 pm)Drich Wrote: Would you say to someone with a family history of suicides, to just buck up? If you just stop feeling sorry for yourself everything will be ok?

Depression is far more than just feeling down. Its all about the pleasure pathway in the brain and dopamine receptors, I would go into more detail but I don't want to butcher it and you probably wouldn't understand it either.

(August 27, 2014 at 10:47 pm)Drich Wrote: What makes people born into a family history of obesity any different?

Because obesity is learned, its a simple equation, if you eat more calories than you burn every day, you are going to get fat.

(August 27, 2014 at 10:47 pm)Drich Wrote: Don't you get the trigger for eating and the signal to stop eating all come from the same place that those who claim the were born gay, and those who are prone to depression and suicidal thoughts orginate their predispositions from?

No you don't, obesity is simply related to behaviour, homosexuality and depression come from differences in brain chemistry.

(August 27, 2014 at 10:47 pm)Drich Wrote: Are all of you so oblivious and blind that you can put these two things together on your own without a doctor

Trust you to think you know better than a doctor

(August 27, 2014 at 10:47 pm)Drich Wrote: oz or oprah telling you to think this way?

I don't believe i've ever watched her show.

(August 27, 2014 at 10:47 pm)Drich Wrote: I'm no oprah, but for me, if the same thinking organ who's signles and desires are so strong as to make one man lust after another man. despite supposedly a hundred trillion years of monkey loving evolution telling him otherwise.. But, can't help himself looking for another dude ... This is somehow ok..

Yes, why would it not be?

(August 27, 2014 at 10:47 pm)Drich Wrote: Or if this thinking organ tells us that yes we have everything, and yes we maybe an award winning actor, but life is not worth living even though you have captivated a whole nation full of people in film and on tv, that this too is beyond the control of the person who has these thoughts...

You are such a biggot. The ignorance here is astounding. You literally have no idea what you are talking about. You have no idea how the brain works, you have no idea about the chemicals and the reactions that take place. Once again you biggot. Why don't you actually investigate the subject and read the material before you go spouting off your prejudiced bullshit.

(August 27, 2014 at 10:47 pm)Drich Wrote: But, for the person like al roker and oprah who's brains are hard wired for high caloric I takes, who try and fail, and fail and fail to keep the weight off, are somehow less than socially acceptable?

I commend people who try to lose weight, but if they can't, then they aren't trying hard enough. Everyone can lose weight and keep it off. Its about how determined you are.

(August 27, 2014 at 10:47 pm)Drich Wrote: These two were accepted, but what of everyone else hard wired that way? Are you saying it is ok to have certain uncontrollable desires and not others? Where is this line drawn? Who draws it?

You have no idea what you are talking about again. 'hard wired' tell me, what do you actually think that means?

Oh and now your trying to spin that we find homosexuality acceptable so we should also find obesity acceptable? No.
Obesity is harmful. It is incredibly unhealthy. It costs billions to treat obesity related diseases.
Homosexuality on the other hand, does absolutely no harm to anyone at all ever.