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Where are the Morals?
#21
RE: Where are the Morals?
(September 13, 2014 at 11:43 pm)Harris Wrote: people have enjoyed the wisdom of morals based on religion throughout the human history.

I bet all those women burnt at the stake enjoyed it.
And all those killed and tortured in the crusades.
And those in Syria can be safe in the knowledge that Islam is giving the good folks of ISIS their morals.


Sure, religion can contain some good moral practices, but these would already have been in existence (unless of course you believe that everyone was going around murdering everyone else before God came along to tell them all to stop it).
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#22
RE: Where are the Morals?
Here's a few religious rules that have been abolished by secular society.

Islam

A man can't beat his wife even if he fears rebellion from her.

A person who has sex outside of marriage isn't lashed 100 times in front of a crowd of Muslims.

Amputating the hands of a thief is no longer allowed

Confining women who partake in sex acts against Islamic law to a house until they die isn't a law people abide by these days.

Christianity

I won't even bother going into detail, the bible basically says stone everyone to death, rape victims in certain circumstances have to marry the person who raped them, to be honest there's no point in even focusing in the bible it's just laughable.


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#23
RE: Where are the Morals?
I don't like how the topic tries to imply religion is the source of human ethics, which is completelly wrong.

Human ethics are actually biological constructions, in which everyone has the tendency to fluctuate on those pattern of behaviour, because they are socially advantageous and desirable, not because it is written in some book that one must obey, people that don't "follow" these common ethics are actually regarded as suffering psycho-social disorders.
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#24
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#25
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Quote:In the article I will discuss, why an atheist who adopted a moral way of living is more vulnerable to immorality compared to a religious person.

LOL. I stopped reading here. What is a religious person? A follower of Yahweh? Of Mohamet?
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#27
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(September 24, 2014 at 5:11 am)Harris Wrote:
(September 14, 2014 at 2:13 am)Bibliofagus Wrote: Funny how the concept and feelings of empathy are not explored in the OP.

I intentionally kept this post short.

Lol. That wall of text is short?
I think you left it out because the fact that basically everyone on earth has empathy entirely fucks up your argument that we need rules to be moral.
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#29
RE: Where are the Morals?
I find it rather amusing that Harris' religious views are "logical", but in his last post he says
Quote:Without faith in God, there can be no conscience
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In every country and every age, the priest had been hostile to Liberty.
- Thomas Jefferson
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#30
RE: Where are the Morals?
Yeah, one of those people for whom god is the thin line between himself and sodomizing a toddler, or so he would have us believe. Hell, he's got me convinced on that count...who am I to tell him that his self assessment is in error?
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