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2 timothy 3:16
October 21, 2014 at 7:18 am
2 timothy 3:16
All scripture is god breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking and training in righteousness.
You see Christians throw this one out a lot and I can't help but wonder, what scripture was the anonymous author referring to? The bible or scripture as we know it didn't exist until at least 200 years after the epistle was written, and there was and a lot of different gospels and Christian sects around at the time that are now heretical.
To-morrow, and to-morrow, and to-morrow,
Creeps in this petty pace from day to day,
To the last syllable of recorded time;
And all our yesterdays have lighted fools
The way to dusty death. Out, out, brief candle!
Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player,
That struts and frets his hour upon the stage,
And then is heard no more. It is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing.
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RE: 2 timothy 3:16
October 21, 2014 at 8:08 am
Hi Lemon,
Obvious to me (being the writer's great familiarity with the the Old Testament) what was referred to is the script of that Covenant which would include the Hebrew Prophets.
In 2nd Peter 3:16, Pete, talking about Paul' writings, says "Speaking in them of these things; in which some things are hard to understand, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do of the other Scriptures, to their own destruction."
Scriptures can simply mean "Writings".
The important thing also seems to be WHO wrote the writings.
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RE: 2 timothy 3:16
October 21, 2014 at 8:31 am
(This post was last modified: October 21, 2014 at 8:31 am by Neo-Scholastic.)
Indeed, the letter to Timothy was most likely a forgery and not a reliable source.
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RE: 2 timothy 3:16
October 21, 2014 at 8:39 am
Deutronomy
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RE: 2 timothy 3:16
October 21, 2014 at 8:56 am
(This post was last modified: October 21, 2014 at 8:57 am by Drich.)
couple what the proff said with verse 10 to 16 and you will have your answer:
10 But you have carefully followed my doctrine, manner of life, purpose, faith, longsuffering, love, perseverance, 11 persecutions, afflictions, which happened to me at Antioch, at Iconium, at Lystra—what persecutions I endured. And out of them all the Lord delivered me. 12 Yes, and all who desire to live godly in Christ Jesus will suffer persecution. 13 But evil men and impostors will grow worse and worse, deceiving and being deceived. 14 But you must continue in the things which you have learned and been assured of, knowing from whom you have learned them, 15 and that from childhood you have known the Holy Scriptures, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.
16 All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, 17 that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work.
New King James Version (NKJV)
The Holy Bible, New King James Version Copyright © 1982 by Thomas Nelson, Inc.
The "Holy Scriptures"/The OT, and what was learned under the direction of Paul is what is being refered to here.
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RE: 2 timothy 3:16
October 21, 2014 at 9:37 am
So there is some part of the Bible that is not "god breathed" and therefore not "useful for teaching, rebuking and training in righteousness"?
"Well, evolution is a theory. It is also a fact. And facts and theories are different things, not rungs in a hierarchy of increasing certainty. Facts are the world's data. Theories are structures of ideas that explain and interpret facts. Facts don't go away when scientists debate rival theories to explain them. Einstein's theory of gravitation replaced Newton's in this century, but apples didn't suspend themselves in midair, pending the outcome. And humans evolved from ape- like ancestors whether they did so by Darwin's proposed mechanism or by some other yet to be discovered."
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RE: 2 timothy 3:16
October 21, 2014 at 9:41 am
Anything and everything the verse is appended to via the agency of divine inspiration is covered.
What other answer could there possibly be ??
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RE: 2 timothy 3:16
October 21, 2014 at 1:05 pm
(October 21, 2014 at 8:08 am)professor Wrote: Hi Lemon,
Obvious to me (being the writer's great familiarity with the the Old Testament) what was referred to is the script of that Covenant which would include the Hebrew Prophets.
In 2nd Peter 3:16, Pete, talking about Paul' writings, says "Speaking in them of these things; in which some things are hard to understand, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do of the other Scriptures, to their own destruction."
Scriptures can simply mean "Writings".
The important thing also seems to be WHO wrote the writings.
Thats on the surface, except that the tanakh is different from any of the Christian old testaments, of which there are three. Ask ronedee and vivalarevolution what the OT contains and you will get 2 different answers, both different from your own.
To-morrow, and to-morrow, and to-morrow,
Creeps in this petty pace from day to day,
To the last syllable of recorded time;
And all our yesterdays have lighted fools
The way to dusty death. Out, out, brief candle!
Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player,
That struts and frets his hour upon the stage,
And then is heard no more. It is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing.
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RE: 2 timothy 3:16
October 21, 2014 at 3:29 pm
(October 21, 2014 at 8:08 am)professor Wrote: Hi Lemon,
Obvious to me (being the writer's great familiarity with the the Old Testament) what was referred to is the script of that Covenant which would include the Hebrew Prophets.
Which writer are you talking about? Not Paul, I hope. No one knows who wrote either of the two Timothies, as they were both attributed to Paul, but written by someone else. A few of the Epistles are disputed as to whether or not Paul wrote them, but among scholars, there is a consensus that he did not write 1 Timothy, 2 Timothy, 2 Thessalonians, and Titus.
Authorship of the Pauline epistles
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RE: 2 timothy 3:16
October 21, 2014 at 4:20 pm
(October 21, 2014 at 8:08 am)professor Wrote: Scriptures can simply mean "Writings".
The important thing also seems to be WHO wrote the writings. That explains a lot. WHO wrote them? Unfortantely, for most of the Bible, nobody knows. I guess Scripture is whatever you (or the Church) say it is.
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