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RE: Kirk Cameron-Don't drink the koolaid and think Christmas had pagan origins.
November 13, 2014 at 2:01 pm
(November 13, 2014 at 1:35 pm)Lek Wrote: Kirk Cameron isn't very well-read. So what's the big deal. You guys celebrate Christmas, don't you?
I sure do. Christmas is rad, even though it's in the summer where I'm from. This year will be my first white christmas, now I'm in Colorado. 
But the reason it's a big deal is that, for whatever reason, Kirk Cameron has an audience that eats up these little nuggets of historical revisionism with a spoon, and that's the kind of thing we need less of.
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RE: Kirk Cameron-Don't drink the koolaid and think Christmas had pagan origins.
November 13, 2014 at 2:02 pm
I celebrate the secular celebration it has become. Whether you call it Christmas, Saturnalia, Hannukah (sp?), or whatever.
I use it as an excuse to visit family and friends, to get together with people I haven't seen for ages and, apparently, spend unnecessary amounts of money.
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RE: Kirk Cameron-Don't drink the koolaid and think Christmas had pagan origins.
November 13, 2014 at 2:05 pm
(November 13, 2014 at 1:35 pm)Lek Wrote: Kirk Cameron isn't very well-read.
No shit.
Quote:So what's the big deal.
No big deal. I just prefer that morons be seen and not heard.
Quote:You guys celebrate Christmas, don't you?
My kids used to get gifts from Santa Christ. Does that count?
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RE: Kirk Cameron-Don't drink the koolaid and think Christmas had pagan origins.
November 13, 2014 at 2:10 pm
(November 13, 2014 at 1:58 pm)FatAndFaithless Wrote: What does December 25th have to do with Jesus? I have a nicely decorated tree with gifts for and from loved ones while we watch movies around a fire. No Jesus needed.
What does December 25th have to do with paganism? To me it's a celebration of the birth of Christ. I don't care if they picked a pagan holiday to celebrate it. I imagine they did it to direct attention away from paganism and toward christianity.
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RE: Kirk Cameron-Don't drink the koolaid and think Christmas had pagan origins.
November 13, 2014 at 2:14 pm
And I couldn't care less what day Christians pissed on to make it smell like them. I celebrate Christmas because it's a part of American culture, not because of anything to do with Jebus. I'm not celebrating it because it has anything to do with paganism either. It's a nice time of year to relax and connect with family and friends and take some time off work.
Do you celebrate Christmas with all the pagan accoutrements such as a tree, gift-giving, and yule logs?
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RE: Kirk Cameron-Don't drink the koolaid and think Christmas had pagan origins.
November 13, 2014 at 2:15 pm
(November 13, 2014 at 1:35 pm)Lek Wrote: (November 12, 2014 at 4:21 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote: "Actor" Kirk Cameron thinks all aspects of the celebration of Christmas are due to the birth of Christ being born on December the 25th. Including the fur tree which does grow in the middle east!
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/11/kirk-...his-stuff/
This man is a douche.
Kirk Cameron isn't very well-read. So what's the big deal. You guys celebrate Christmas, don't you?
Are you suggesting that when ignorance and stupidity has an audience, that it shouldn't be called out? Or is that only when it's Christian ignorance?
I don't celebrate Christmas. I do get together with family for feasting, wine and football - no Jesus involved. Yes, it happens to be on December 25th - because we all happen to have the day off work.
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RE: Kirk Cameron-Don't drink the koolaid and think Christmas had pagan origins.
November 13, 2014 at 2:17 pm
(November 13, 2014 at 2:10 pm)Lek Wrote: (November 13, 2014 at 1:58 pm)FatAndFaithless Wrote: What does December 25th have to do with Jesus? I have a nicely decorated tree with gifts for and from loved ones while we watch movies around a fire. No Jesus needed.
What does December 25th have to do with paganism? To me it's a celebration of the birth of Christ. I don't care if they picked a pagan holiday to celebrate it. I imagine they did it to direct attention away from paganism and toward christianity.
I bet you even have a Christmas tree, just like the pagans that tradition was borrowed from.
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RE: Kirk Cameron-Don't drink the koolaid and think Christmas had pagan origins.
November 13, 2014 at 2:45 pm
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(November 13, 2014 at 2:14 pm)FatAndFaithless Wrote: And I couldn't care less what day Christians pissed on to make it smell like them. I celebrate Christmas because it's a part of American culture, not because of anything to do with Jebus. I'm not celebrating it because it has anything to do with paganism either. It's a nice time of year to relax and connect with family and friends and take some time off work.
Do you celebrate Christmas with all the pagan accoutrements such as a tree, gift-giving, and yule logs?
Yeah. All this goes to show that saying Christmas has it's roots in paganism really doesn't mean a thing. If we celebrate it, we do it according to what it means to us individually. Anyway, I think that Kirk secretly just said those things to show how funny he can be in hopes of landing a role in an upcoming comedy movie or maybe a remake of "Growing Pains".
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RE: Kirk Cameron-Don't drink the koolaid and think Christmas had pagan origins.
November 13, 2014 at 2:47 pm
If you also agree that saying "Christmas is a Christian holiday" doesn't really mean a thing either, then I agree with you. We all do celebrate it however it's meaningful to us and our families and friends.
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RE: Kirk Cameron-Don't drink the koolaid and think Christmas had pagan origins.
November 13, 2014 at 2:48 pm
(November 13, 2014 at 2:45 pm)Lek Wrote: Yeah. All this goes to show that saying Christmas has it's roots in paganism really doesn't mean a thing. It does to some of the stricter fundamentalist sects. JWs do not celebrate Christmas precisely because it has pagan origins and sets Jesus' birthday to an incorrect date (among other objections). I never celebrated it, though as with many things I probably will now that I'm not a Christian. Which tickles me to no end.
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