They've done the same thing with Melville's Moby Dick. Any sufficiently large piece block of text can be manipulated by these con men.

The bible is as big a pile of shit as the koran.

(July 13, 2010 at 5:12 am)Darwinian Wrote: @Mo3

So desperate are you to prove that the Qu'ran predicted much of our scientific knowledge that we have today that your mind goes through the most bizarre twists and turns to 'shoehorn' these vague and relatively meaningless texts into something that you can believe.

The fact that you have to explain the meaning of these texts shows just far away from logic and reason you are.

not just predicting but telling information that was impossible to know from 1400 years or even to imagine.am explaining the arabic words used so i can deliver the same meaning as it is in arabic my english is not good so am just adding the meanings so that it become clear.

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Quote:It is clearly talking about only our world. how could you possibly relate this verse with big bang.

its saying the heavens and the earth.how is that just our world?

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Quote:Hey Mo is there any ,scientific revelation, in the Koran that actually led to a discovery?
Rathet than people hearing of some scientific fact and saying that looks a little like this part of the koran if you squint and stand on your head.

yeah there are a lot of muslim scholars says things from the Quran that is not discovered yet and scientists are still struggling about but they dont have the tools to prove it.

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if someone see that this verses say something rather than what am saying plz explain

(July 14, 2010 at 4:01 am)mo3taz3nbar Wrote: not just predicting but telling information that was impossible to know from 1400 years or even to imagine.am explaining the arabic words used so i can deliver the same meaning as it is in arabic my english is not good so am just adding the meanings so that it become clear.

You keep saying this like Arabs are incapable of making up new words for new ideas.

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(July 14, 2010 at 4:01 am)mo3taz3nbar Wrote: its saying the heavens and the earth.how is that just our world?

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Heavens = Sky

Earth = Ground

It's not that hard to figure out.

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(July 14, 2010 at 4:01 am)mo3taz3nbar Wrote: yeah there are a lot of muslim scholars says things from the Quran that is not discovered yet and scientists are still struggling about but they dont have the tools to prove it.

And all we want is a single coherent example, which you constantly fail to provide.

I'll put $10 down on this idiot saying he believes the fairy tale version.

(July 14, 2010 at 3:38 pm)Minimalist Wrote: I'll put $10 down on this idiot saying he believes the fairy tale version.

I'd be a sucker to take that bet. Though he'll never see it, I think everyone else can see that the Koran's creation reference is virtually lifted from Genesis.

The Bible Fairy Tale (Genesis)
1:6 And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.
1:7 And God made the firmament and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.
1:8 And God called the firmament Heaven.
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1:20 And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.

The Koran Fairy Tale
21:30 Have not those who disbelieve known that the heavens and the earth were of one piece, then We parted them, and we made every living thing of water ? Will they not then believe ?

I propose "tautological sillyness" as a term for this type of self delusion. Any effort spent on this, is just too much.

(July 14, 2010 at 4:01 am)mo3taz3nbar Wrote: yeah there are a lot of muslim scholars says things from the Quran that is not discovered yet and scientists are still struggling about but they dont have the tools to prove it.

Such as?