(December 2, 2014 at 6:53 pm)Losty Wrote: I don't really know. That's a good question. I guess things probably aren't really that black and white.

Sure they are. The black is evil; the white is lying to you.

There's safety in shadow for the first one there... come in late and you'll just get yourself hurt. Stay in the light... avoid the darkness... you will want to think you see them coming, yeah?

* Violet chuckles.

... Not that it will actually protect you. Not that it will help any of you

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(December 2, 2014 at 10:54 pm)psychoslice Wrote: Yep, that just what I believe also, but to the cosmos, it all means nothing.

We are the cosmos. Division is illusion... perspective is what keeps The Dream alive. It's what keeps it interesting... how else could the Dreamer understand the mess inside itself?

When will they ever learn?

... How can they ever learn?

(December 1, 2014 at 9:35 pm)Losty Wrote: Do you think there's a difference between a bad person and just a person who does bad things?
I know "bad" can vary from culture to culture and even person to person so let's stick with the ones that seem universal. Murder, rape, harming children, stealing. I think those are pretty much universally accepted as bad. Can you be a murderer, but not a bad person?
Does being a sociopath make you a bad person?
If a person is not a sociopath and every time they rape someone they feel immense regret and guilt but they keep doing it does that make them more or less of a bad person?
What if a person hurts their children because they believe it's what's best for them, is that less awful than a person who beats their child just because they enjoy it?
Do you think there's a such thing as a bad person?
Are people just products of their chemical make up and their environment?
Do you think that all people deserve compassion and love or are there some people who are so bad that they don't deserve either?
I think maybe my opinion is kind of warped on all of this. I don't think there's a such thing as a bad person. I don't think there's anything a person could do that would make me think they didn't deserve to be cared for or valued.
Some people may think it's disrespectful to the victims, but I find my heart breaking for those who've been labeled "bad" people. I can't imagine being worthless in the eyes of everyone, being completely alone and unloved no matter how "deserved" it may be.
I have a hard time connecting a person's actions with how I should treat them. I think who I am should be the deciding factor in how I treat people, not what they've done.
Anyways, I was just wondering what you guys think.

Well how i see it is we all have urges or things in our life to pressure us into only think about ourselves and not care if we hurt others,but it falls on everyone to overcome this problem.

Side note:i dont know whether you got my apology or not.

(December 2, 2014 at 11:21 pm)Jenny A Wrote: But having read and thought, I think a bad person who does bad things without remorse on a regular basis. It's a practical rather than a deep definition.

So... you shy away from defining a 'bad person', but you feel you can decide upon what constitutes a 'bad thing'?

It's a nonsensical rather than a deep definition. 'Good people' can do 'bad things' with 'good' reasons, 'bad' people can do 'good' things with 'bad' reasons... can't you see? They are all JUST PEOPLE... who do things... some of them 'good', some of them 'bad'... some of them 'good' to you but 'bad' to them, some of them 'bad' to you but 'good' to them!

The entire question breaks down subjectively. A good person and a bad person are nothing more than a reflection of yourself.

... Or worse... a projection of yourself.

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(December 3, 2014 at 1:43 am)Rob216 Wrote: I think a person would be considered "bad" if they keep repeating the same action. For example, I wouldn't call a person that did cocaine once or twice a drug addict, but if they used it every day I would. Although I will admit that some actions, to me, are unforgivable even if they were only committed one time. Pedophilia comes to mind.

Vegans are horrible people, look at them eating beans all the time! How awful.

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(December 3, 2014 at 1:54 am)Exian Wrote: 2. A person without an addiction and knowing full well the laws against the purchasing and use of drugs, seeks out and uses whatever drug.

It almost seems like #2 has the more deplorable action. Although, we don't know their full story. Could be systemic- could be a mental breakdown do to a strenuous life situation?

Yes, it's utterly deplorable to break laws intentionally... might truly makes right.

People can have any reason for performing any action. Whether that action is good, bad, or totally fucking awesome? That is a question only of one's personal judgement of the action, oft modified by their understanding of the reasoning behind such...

Justification, if you will. After all, breaking the law is truly unjust.

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(December 3, 2014 at 2:22 am)psychoslice Wrote: No one in this thread can be right or wrong, because there is no such thing.

Rather, they wouldn't know the right thing from the wrong thing. Indeed.. who could?

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(December 3, 2014 at 11:25 am)Jenny A Wrote: My definition tells me who to avoid dealing with and who to warn others against.

Right, the one where they do it with no remorse... because crying after every murder totally makes the serial killer so upstanding and good indeed indeed.

"I'm sorry, I'm sorry I'm such a monster!" after every rape really starts to wear on me, I dunno about you.

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(December 3, 2014 at 5:46 pm)Rob216 Wrote: So rather than describing the people you'd want to avoid as "bad" would you instead describe them as destructive or harmful? The point I'm getting at is I think we are just squabbling over terms.

Love can be both destructive and harmful... it allows another the ability to hurt you, and it can demonstrably break down people's lives.

Love is like, the worst. Seriously, though: damn near everyone has elements to them that are harmful to someone (either themselves or someone else)... and simply being human causes catastrophic change everywhere... whether it be in chopping down the forest, or extincting a species, or encouraging 'righteousness and justice' by way of holy war...

Being human is bad. It's bad for them, and it's bad for everything around them... just how bad does a human have to be in your eyes before they're "bad" even among their fellows?

What do they have to do? How much hurt and annihilation must they be responsible for before you're willing to call them out for what they are?!

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(December 3, 2014 at 6:08 pm)Mothonis_Cathicgal Wrote: Well how i see it is we all have urges or things in our life to pressure us into only think about ourselves and not care if we hurt others,but it falls on everyone to overcome this problem.

And some people think only of another, or others... doing everything in their power to ensure that they're safe, or that they're going to succeed. Good things... and bad things too. Caring for another/others does not preclude one person hurting others... it certainly doesn't preclude them from hurting themselves.

To hell with what they might want in life! What do they matter? Not at all, they say to themselves. Not. At. All.

(December 3, 2014 at 6:08 pm)Mothonis_Cathicgal Wrote:

(December 1, 2014 at 9:35 pm)Losty Wrote:

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Do you think there's a difference between a bad person and just a person who does bad things?
I know "bad" can vary from culture to culture and even person to person so let's stick with the ones that seem universal. Murder, rape, harming children, stealing. I think those are pretty much universally accepted as bad. Can you be a murderer, but not a bad person?
Does being a sociopath make you a bad person?
If a person is not a sociopath and every time they rape someone they feel immense regret and guilt but they keep doing it does that make them more or less of a bad person?
What if a person hurts their children because they believe it's what's best for them, is that less awful than a person who beats their child just because they enjoy it?
Do you think there's a such thing as a bad person?
Are people just products of their chemical make up and their environment?
Do you think that all people deserve compassion and love or are there some people who are so bad that they don't deserve either?
I think maybe my opinion is kind of warped on all of this. I don't think there's a such thing as a bad person. I don't think there's anything a person could do that would make me think they didn't deserve to be cared for or valued.
Some people may think it's disrespectful to the victims, but I find my heart breaking for those who've been labeled "bad" people. I can't imagine being worthless in the eyes of everyone, being completely alone and unloved no matter how "deserved" it may be.
I have a hard time connecting a person's actions with how I should treat them. I think who I am should be the deciding factor in how I treat people, not what they've done.
Anyways, I was just wondering what you guys think.

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Well how i see it is we all have urges or things in our life to pressure us into only think about ourselves and not care if we hurt others,but it falls on everyone to overcome this problem.

Side note:i dont know whether you got my apology or not.

I didn't because I have you on ignore, though I suppose if you think we can avoid this in the future I can just let it go and take you off ignore. Just...you know...I would appreciate if you take my request seriously this time