(December 7, 2014 at 6:11 pm)abaris Wrote:

(December 7, 2014 at 6:08 pm)ChristIsLord Wrote: I too as a believer struggle with the concept of the Trinity.

That's because the rational part of your brain cries "does not compute".

Correct in my limited finite mind it does not compute, but faith in Jesus picks up where my mind cannot.

(December 7, 2014 at 7:55 pm)ChristIsLord Wrote: Correct in my limited finite mind it does not compute, but faith in Jesus picks up where my mind cannot.

And that's the fundamental difference between our mindsets.

It's weird how they talk about an incomprehensible god that for some reason is also completely trustworthy. Actions should speak louder than words, but faith glosses over actions.

(December 7, 2014 at 8:07 pm)Chad32 Wrote: It's weird how they talk about an incomprehensible god that for some reason is also completely trustworthy. Actions should speak louder than words, but faith glosses over actions.

Christ died on the cross after healing a multitude of afflicted; those actions scream of His love for us.

I have never heard of anyone saying that that they fully understand gravity, but I've never met any reasonable person that doesn't trust gravity.
I mean if I step off the ledge of a 20 story building I trust fully that it's 9.8 straight down.....splat. Even my kid knows that.

He went around a small area of the world and helped some local people. Compared to the millions if not billions dying all over the world from illnesses and afflictions they had nothing to do with. Where were the other sins of god, all around the world, spreading love and praising Yahweh? For some reason he only begot one son, at one point, who did some nice things for a few decades. A veritable band aid on the gaping wound of the world.

That's why we believe gravity exists. Because it is apparent and undeniable to everyone with the slightest bit of testing.

(December 7, 2014 at 6:24 pm)ChristIsLord Wrote: If you want to talk in terms of metaphor, the tree of knowledge of good and evil is not "KNOWLEDGE" but knowledge of "THE LAW" that which we are confined to....the bar that God has set that we consistently fail to achieve.

So what was so wrong with eating the fruit of this tree? Wouldn't we then have the knowledge of this 'law' and hence be better placed to meet the bar of which you speak?

For example: we have rules here. Not many, but we have them. Would it make sense to hide the rules page behind a big red button labelled "DO NOT TOUCH ON PAIN OF DEATH!!!" and have it automatically and permanently ban anyone who tries clicking it? What would that say about the site and the Staff in charge?

(November 29, 2014 at 11:21 am)JaceDeanLove Wrote: I have thought this for awhile, but I decided to share. I think the whole Garden of Eden scenario was ENTIRELY God's doing. He created Adam and Eve, and was in control of EVERYTHING. He's supposedly omni-everything. If that's the case, he knew they would eat the fruit. In fact, he saw them eat the fruit. And not only that! He placed the tree in the garden (instead of on a tree in a volcano, on Mars.) In fact, idk why he even made the tree anyway. Secondly, he told Adam and Eve not to eat from it. That makes a lot of people wanna do the opposite. He also let the serpent into the garden, and let him convince Adam and Eve. Remember, God controls ALL of this! Lastly... If Adam and Eve were good, how did they sin? And, if the tree gave them knowledge of right and wrong, how did they know it was wrong to eat from it?? I would like everyone's input. I'm genuinely curious. Thanks.

Jace

The tree was a metaphor. What Adam and Eve were not to partake of was sex. After they had sex they realized they were naked.

Something you'd think they'd have spotted earlier, really. Not exactly the sharpest carrots in the bag, were they?

(December 7, 2014 at 9:01 pm)Stimbo Wrote:

(December 7, 2014 at 6:24 pm)ChristIsLord Wrote: If you want to talk in terms of metaphor, the tree of knowledge of good and evil is not "KNOWLEDGE" but knowledge of "THE LAW" that which we are confined to....the bar that God has set that we consistently fail to achieve.

So what was so wrong with eating the fruit of this tree? Wouldn't we then have the knowledge of this 'law' and hence be better placed to meet the bar of which you speak?

For example: we have rules here. Not many, but we have them. Would it make sense to hide the rules page behind a big red button labelled "DO NOT TOUCH ON PAIN OF DEATH!!!" and have it automatically and permanently ban anyone who tries clicking it? What would that say about the site and the Staff in charge?

Because then we would become more like gods, and Yahweh didn't want that.

I don't buy the "it was about sex" thing either. He didn't want them to have sex? Then why make that possible?

(December 7, 2014 at 7:16 pm)Rarthyr500 Wrote: Don't try to disguise your insult in alternate meanings, you meant it as cannabis infused with cocaine. You aren't that cool my friend. Which false prophets have I gathered my knowledge from? Since you know so much about me. You seem to have me fully figured out don't you? I am not butt-hurt at all. I was simply pointing out your lack of logical structure in your misguided opinions were falsely presented and were really a disguised attack. Not that I care, I'm always gonna live with a target on my back. In fact I enjoy seeing that negativity come out in people. As everyone is unique we all have our own negative creativity which is awesome. So what else is wrong with me?

You're pretty funny when you're like this. Believe me, when I decide to insult you, it will be clear to everyone ... except you, in all likelihood.

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(December 7, 2014 at 8:24 pm)ChristIsLord Wrote: Christ died on the cross after healing a multitude of afflicted; those actions scream of His love for us.

Who created those afflictions in the first place?

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(December 7, 2014 at 8:30 pm)Chad32 Wrote: [...] Where were the other sins of god, [...]

Best.Typo.EVAR.

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(December 7, 2014 at 9:25 pm)strawdawg Wrote: The tree was a metaphor. What Adam and Eve were not to partake of was sex. After they had sex they realized they were naked.

Well, that's certainly no god worthy or adoration. Fuck him ... so to speak, of course.