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RE: Bible is the infallible word of God! Proof!
December 30, 2014 at 1:03 am
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The fool hath said in his heart, There is a God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.
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RE: Bible is the infallible word of God! Proof!
December 30, 2014 at 1:14 am
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(December 29, 2014 at 9:36 pm)ronedee Wrote: (December 29, 2014 at 9:19 pm)dyresand Wrote: The idea of god being 3 beings and yet one being at the same time is really stupid....
Why? You just have no understanding:
The Father = God
The Son = God's Word
The Holy Spirit = God's Love, Teacher, Advocate & Consoler
Look at it this way: God the Father cannot manifest Himself to us in His natural form...Enter Jesus!
Jesus brought us the Word of God! God's REAL mouthpiece!
The Holy Spirit is the Love sent from God, through Jesus to help us!
Simple!
Perhaps it is you who doesn’t understand. It would behoove you to at least understand the doctrines you follow don’t you think?
Dogmatic Formulation and Positive Foundation of the Dogma of the Trinity
The Antitrinitarian Heresies and the Doctrinal Decisions of the Church
In God there are Three Persons, the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost. Each of the Three Persons possesses the one (numerical) Divine Essence. (De fide.)
The Triple Personality of God
In God there are two Internal Divine Processions. (De fide.)
The Divine Persons, not the Divine Nature, are the subject of the Internal Divine processions (in the active and in the passive sense). (De fide.)
The Second Divine Person proceeds from the First Divine Person by Generation, and therefore is related to Him as Son to a Father. (De fide.)
The Holy Ghost proceeds from the Father and from the Son as from a Single Principle through a Single Spiration. (De fide.)
Speculative Explanation of the Dogma of the Trinity
Speculative Explanation of the Internal Divine Processions
The Son proceeds from the Intellect of the Father by way of Generation. (Sent. certa.)
The Holy Ghost proceeds from the will or from the mutual love of the Father and of the Son. (Sent. certa.)
The Holy Ghost does not proceed through generation but through spiration. (De. fide.)
The Divine Relations and Persons
The Relations in God are really identical with the Divine Nature. (De fide.)
The Three Divine Persons are in One Another. (De fide.)
All the ad extra Activities of God are common to that Three Persons. (De fide.)
The Father sends the Son: the Father and the Son send the Holy Ghost. (Sent. certa.)
The Relation of the Trinity to Reason
The Trinity of God can only be known through Divine Revelation. (Sent. fidei proxima.)
http://jloughnan.tripod.com/dogma.htm
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RE: Bible is the infallible word of God! Proof!
December 30, 2014 at 1:17 am
(December 29, 2014 at 11:24 pm)Parkers Tan Wrote: (December 29, 2014 at 9:45 pm)Godschild Wrote: [...] now you have two errors in those books, want to share more.
GC
Perhaps first you should explain why your god thinks bats are birds, whales are fish, and pi=3. Your little book is riddled with inaccuracies as well, numbnuts. Use your nascent skepticism and throw off the chains imprisoning your mind.
I have no chains imprisoning my mind, heart, spirit or body, God said,"you shall know the truth and the truth will set you free.'' I have no skepticism about my life and how I've chosen to live it. Bats are winged animals just as birds, being the Creator he can categorize them the way He sees fit. You are trying to apply man's decisions on God, it doesn't work that way. Same goes for whales, and as far as pi goes I doubt God even would use a mathematical system as primitive as ours.
GC
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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RE: Bible is the infallible word of God! Proof!
December 30, 2014 at 1:22 am
(December 30, 2014 at 1:17 am)Godschild Wrote: (December 29, 2014 at 11:24 pm)Parkers Tan Wrote: Perhaps first you should explain why your god thinks bats are birds, whales are fish, and pi=3. Your little book is riddled with inaccuracies as well, numbnuts. Use your nascent skepticism and throw off the chains imprisoning your mind.
I have no chains imprisoning my mind, heart, spirit or body, God said,"you shall know the truth and the truth will set you free.'' I have no skepticism about my life and how I've chosen to live it. Bats are winged animals just as birds, being the Creator he can categorize them the way He sees fit. You are trying to apply man's decisions on God, it doesn't work that way. Same goes for whales, and as far as pi goes I doubt God even would use a mathematical system as primitive as ours.
GC
You know what fine...
But would you be happy or not if i denied my atheism and believed the bible to be 100% true and factual?
Atheism is a non-prophet organization join today.
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RE: Bible is the infallible word of God! Proof!
December 30, 2014 at 1:22 am
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Haha, that's a good one, pi=3 in God's sophisticated mathematics. OMG, all numbers in the bible are base pi/3, history has to be rewritten!
I'm beginning to see how you manage to live your life without a shred of self-doubt (I assume that"s what you mean by no skepticism)
The fool hath said in his heart, There is a God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.
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RE: Bible is the infallible word of God! Proof!
December 30, 2014 at 1:45 am
(December 30, 2014 at 1:17 am)Godschild Wrote: I have no chains imprisoning my mind, heart, spirit or body, God said,"you shall know the truth and the truth will set you free.''
You adhere to a book written by ignorant nomads. The limitations on your truth relegate you to that mindset, whether you admit it or not.
(December 30, 2014 at 1:17 am)Godschild Wrote: I have no skepticism about my life and how I've chosen to live it. Bats are winged animals just as birds, being the Creator he can categorize them the way He sees fit.
Funny how he misses some important but subtle differences in favor of obvious similarities. Exactly the same as you'd expect from an unscientific bunch of rubes.
(December 30, 2014 at 1:17 am)Godschild Wrote: You are trying to apply man's decisions on God, it doesn't work that way. Same goes for whales, and as far as pi goes I doubt God even would use a mathematical system as primitive as ours.
GC
Behold, readers: this is the mental rot religion induces in otherwise intelligent humans.
One more reason to abjure religion and its trappings.
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RE: Bible is the infallible word of God! Proof!
December 30, 2014 at 3:40 am
(December 30, 2014 at 1:17 am)Godschild Wrote: (December 29, 2014 at 11:24 pm)Parkers Tan Wrote: Perhaps first you should explain why your god thinks bats are birds, whales are fish, and pi=3. Your little book is riddled with inaccuracies as well, numbnuts. Use your nascent skepticism and throw off the chains imprisoning your mind.
I have no chains imprisoning my mind, heart, spirit or body, God said,"you shall know the truth and the truth will set you free.'' I have no skepticism about my life and how I've chosen to live it. Bats are winged animals just as birds, being the Creator he can categorize them the way He sees fit. You are trying to apply man's decisions on God, it doesn't work that way. Same goes for whales, and as far as pi goes I doubt God even would use a mathematical system as primitive as ours.
GC
"If god said it it's fine because god said it's fine because god said it, and it's fine because god said it was fine..."
You know, I think you're right, GC: you don't have any chains imprisoning your mind. You've just shut the whole shebang completely off, instead.
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RE: Bible is the infallible word of God! Proof!
December 30, 2014 at 3:47 am
(December 23, 2014 at 9:25 pm)JesusChristLover Wrote: The Bible is the Grand Charter of God. To undermine, discredit and reject the Bible is to undermine, discredit and reject God.
The popular assertion of present-day shallow thinkers that their Christianity rejects the Old Testament but accepts the New is, to say the least, unrealistic, for the New Testament is based on the Old. Both are inseparably united and of necessity when one is rejected the other also must be refused. What the seed is to the plant so is the Old to the New. How can the plant be received and the seed which produced it rejected?
The Bible claims to be the Word of God and by staking this claim the Bible simply but plainly declares its divine authority, complete infallibility and absolute sufficiency.
The Bible's authority is not derived from reason. The Bible does not appeal to reason and demand obedience because our reason sanctions its teachings. Its authority is not rational in that sense, although we believe the Bible to be reasonable ultimately, because it is the Word of Him Who is the source of all reason. Our reason needs to be approved by the Bible and not the Bible by our reason.
The Bible's authority is not derived from the emotions. The Bible does not appeal to our feelings and demand obedience because our feelings acquiesce in its teachings. Its authority is not emotional, and our feelings need to be approved by the Bible, and not the Bible by our feelings.
The greatest fact of all time is the Bible. How a book which has been so universally attacked could survive and attain to such a place of eminence is a miracle eloquently testifying to its supernatural origin.
The unity of the Bible is one of the greatest evidences of its supernatural origin.
The Bible is unique. Hundreds of years and in some cases over a thousand years before certain events took place, the Bible made precise predictions concerning those events. No other sacred book ventured to make such predictions. The Bible is the only book which dared to stake its claim to divinity on the accuracy of its prophecies!
The Bible is basically a collection of fanciful stories that illustrate the various negotiation techniques, from the simple to the complex. All of the characters from Cain to God to Jesus & Paul engaged in negotiations.
Bible prophecies are non-sense and a distraction to what the Bible is really about, which is how to make a deal under a variety of conditions.
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RE: Bible is the infallible word of God! Proof!
December 30, 2014 at 6:14 am
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(December 30, 2014 at 1:17 am)Godschild Wrote: (December 29, 2014 at 11:24 pm)Parkers Tan Wrote: Perhaps first you should explain why your god thinks bats are birds, whales are fish, and pi=3. Your little book is riddled with inaccuracies as well, numbnuts. Use your nascent skepticism and throw off the chains imprisoning your mind.
I have no chains imprisoning my mind, heart, spirit or body, God said,"you shall know the truth and the truth will set you free.'' I have no skepticism about my life and how I've chosen to live it. Bats are winged animals just as birds, being the Creator he can categorize them the way He sees fit. You are trying to apply man's decisions on God, it doesn't work that way. Same goes for whales, and as far as pi goes I doubt God even would use a mathematical system as primitive as ours.
GC G.C. if you care to read any of the books I mentioned, about all of them are available online. They are interesting and can give you some insight on the subject.
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RE: Bible is the infallible word of God! Proof!
December 30, 2014 at 6:20 am
(December 29, 2014 at 9:36 pm)ronedee Wrote: (December 29, 2014 at 9:19 pm)dyresand Wrote: The idea of god being 3 beings and yet one being at the same time is really stupid.... Why? You just have no understanding: That would be more convincing if it was the same explanation from every Christian every time. But it's not. Not only are there different explanations of what the trinity is (and we've seen another one or two recently, which differed from yours) but some people claim that it cannot be understood. Yet each person who makes those claims insists that he or she has a solid grounding in Biblical understanding that we atheists seem to lack. It really doesn't help when the people who "truly understand" the Bible can't seem to agree on something as "simple" as the trinity.
"Well, evolution is a theory. It is also a fact. And facts and theories are different things, not rungs in a hierarchy of increasing certainty. Facts are the world's data. Theories are structures of ideas that explain and interpret facts. Facts don't go away when scientists debate rival theories to explain them. Einstein's theory of gravitation replaced Newton's in this century, but apples didn't suspend themselves in midair, pending the outcome. And humans evolved from ape- like ancestors whether they did so by Darwin's proposed mechanism or by some other yet to be discovered."
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