(January 12, 2015 at 2:08 pm)Drich Wrote:

(January 12, 2015 at 1:45 pm)rexbeccarox Wrote: Are Mormons Christian?

(From your own reference
3.Latter-day Saints do not believe scripture consists of the Holy Bible alone but have an expanded canon of scripture that includes the Book of Mormon, the Doctrine and Covenants, and the Pearl of Great Price.

Further more Mormons believe that their cannon is open, meaning that the 'president' of Mormonism is in direct contact with God and can make changes as God changes his mind. Like the acceptance of Black people in 1979 (Prior to be anything other than white was a curse from God. The darker the skin the more God hated you)

Here is a quote from the last President of Mormonism on Jesus:
"In bearing testimony of Jesus Christ, President Hinckley spoke of those outside the Church who say Latter-day Saints 'do not believe in the traditional Christ.' 'No, I don't. The traditional Christ of whom they speak is not the Christ of whom I speak. For the Christ of whom I speak has been revealed in this the Dispensation of the Fullness of Times. He together with His Father, appeared to the boy Joseph Smith in the year 1820, and when Joseph left the grove that day, he knew more of the nature of God than all the learned ministers of the gospel of the ages.'" (LDS Church News Week ending June 20, 1998, p. 7).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gordon_B._Hinckley

In Mormonism, Jesus is a creation, the product of relations between god and his goddess wife who used to be people from another world (McConkie, Bruce, Mormon Doctrine, p. 192, 321, 516, 589). Jesus is the literal spirit brother of the devil and of you and me (McConkie, p. 192, 589). Also, in Mormon theology, God has a body of flesh and bones (Doctrine & Covenants 130:22) as does his wife, and together they produce spirit offspring in heaven who inhabit human bodies on earth.

Very few, if any, of the 'different' Mormon doctrines are found in their Standard Works: the Bible, The Book of Mormon, Doctrine & Covenants, and The Pearl of Great Price. Rather, they are taught by Mormons of high standing: prophets, apostles, members of the 70 Quorum. McConkie, for example, was a member of the 70's Quorum, a very high ranking Mormon, and wrote the book, Mormon Doctrine, from which much of the documentation for this is taken.

Monson The current President of the LDS has done/said nothing to correct Hinkley.

Ryantology (╯°◊°)╯︵ ══╬ The only reason there is blurring of lines is because of Christians, like you, who want to disown Christians whose behavior doesn't neatly conform to your personal understanding of the narrative. No doubt that many such Christians are every bit as convinced they are doing God's will and that you are the apostate.

Quote:This means that a Follower of Christ is one who follows the instructions given to us to follow. Not anyone who just calls out 'Lord, Lord.'

Their is nothing to disown. It is by the words of their current day prophets that they themselves say they do not follow the Jesus of the Bible, but a Jesus of a different color.

Quote:This is just supreme hubris on your part, to assume without qualification that you correctly understand all the vagaries and ambiguities. I've asked you countless times to explain the basis on which you are sure you have the one true understanding of the Bible, to tell anyone else that theirs is incorrect.

What is incorrect is the fact that you believe that these distnctions are mine, when in fact they come from the highest point of leadership in that church. It would be like the Apstole Paul making a modern day declration today. The presidents of that church have that power, so when one says they do not believe in the Jesus of the bible then their word superceeds all other written accounts.

Quote:Funny. I have the same reaction towards your refusal to act according to Mosaic law, and the fact that you teach others that it's not necessary to live by it, even though Jesus explicitly warns against doing both of these things.

You are no better than the people you criticize.

According to mosaic law I am an unclean gentile and deserve hell anyway.[/quote' Wrote:

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(January 12, 2015 at 2:11 pm)FatAndFaithless Wrote: [quote='Drich' pid='843410' dateline='1421086090']

(From your own reference
3.Latter-day Saints do not believe scripture consists of the Holy Bible alone but have an expanded canon of scripture that includes the Book of Mormon, the Doctrine and Covenants, and the Pearl of Great Price.

Further more Mormons believe that their cannon is open, meaning that the 'president' of Mormonism is in direct contact with God and can make changes as God changes his mind. Like the acceptance of Black people in 1979 (Prior to be anything other than white was a curse from God. The darker the skin the more God hated you)

Here is a quote from the last President of Mormonism on Jesus:
"In bearing testimony of Jesus Christ, President Hinckley spoke of those outside the Church who say Latter-day Saints 'do not believe in the traditional Christ.' 'No, I don't. The traditional Christ of whom they speak is not the Christ of whom I speak. For the Christ of whom I speak has been revealed in this the Dispensation of the Fullness of Times. He together with His Father, appeared to the boy Joseph Smith in the year 1820, and when Joseph left the grove that day, he knew more of the nature of God than all the learned ministers of the gospel of the ages.'" (LDS Church News Week ending June 20, 1998, p. 7).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gordon_B._Hinckley

In Mormonism, Jesus is a creation, the product of relations between god and his goddess wife who used to be people from another world (McConkie, Bruce, Mormon Doctrine, p. 192, 321, 516, 589). Jesus is the literal spirit brother of the devil and of you and me (McConkie, p. 192, 589). Also, in Mormon theology, God has a body of flesh and bones (Doctrine & Covenants 130:22) as does his wife, and together they produce spirit offspring in heaven who inhabit human bodies on earth.

Very few, if any, of the 'different' Mormon doctrines are found in their Standard Works: the Bible, The Book of Mormon, Doctrine & Covenants, and The Pearl of Great Price. Rather, they are taught by Mormons of high standing: prophets, apostles, members of the 70 Quorum. McConkie, for example, was a member of the 70's Quorum, a very high ranking Mormon, and wrote the book, Mormon Doctrine, from which much of the documentation for this is taken.

Monson The current President of the LDS has done/said nothing to correct Hinkley.

Gee..sounds like another hierarchical Christian organization that has a head of church in direct contact with God...

Unless you're saying that Catholics also aren't Drich-approved Christians.

(January 12, 2015 at 2:13 pm)Drich Wrote: Catholic are Catholic first. Meaning their direction comes from the pope first and then from scripture.

(January 12, 2015 at 2:15 pm)FatAndFaithless Wrote:

(January 12, 2015 at 2:13 pm)Drich Wrote: Catholic are Catholic first. Meaning their direction comes from the pope first and then from scripture.

Catholics are Christian, Drips.

(January 12, 2015 at 2:13 pm)Drich Wrote: Catholic are Catholic first. Meaning their direction comes from the pope first and then from scripture.

(January 12, 2015 at 11:47 am)Drich Wrote: Just an open ended question.

What's with blurring the lines between those who claim Christianity and those who actually practice it? We've had a couple of recent examples of you guys assuming everyone who claims to be christian happens to be Christian just on their proclaimation. Why is this? I have brought up that Christ himself says in Mat 7 that not everyone who claims to be a follower is indeed a follower. What's more he even went so far as to say even some of those who do great things in His name are followers of Christ. But only those who do the will of the Father.

This means that a Follower of Christ is one who follows the instructions given to us to follow. Not anyone who just calls out 'Lord, Lord.'

I hope none of you think that God is bound by your understanding of some death bed effort on your part to keep you out of Hell.