(January 12, 2015 at 11:47 am)Drich Wrote: Just an open ended question.

What's with blurring the lines between those who claim Christianity and those who actually practice it? We've had a couple of recent examples of you guys assuming everyone who claims to be christian happens to be Christian just on their proclaimation. Why is this? I have brought up that Christ himself says in Mat 7 that not everyone who claims to be a follower is indeed a follower. What's more he even went so far as to say even some of those who do great things in His name are followers of Christ. But only those who do the will of the Father.

This means that a Follower of Christ is one who follows the instructions given to us to follow. Not anyone who just calls out 'Lord, Lord.'

I hope none of you think that God is bound by your understanding of some death bed effort on your part to keep you out of Hell.

You're a bit twisted for a Christian ... oh, wait, I was thinking of sadists... my mistake, carry on.

MM

(January 13, 2015 at 7:44 pm)Brian37 Wrote:

(January 13, 2015 at 2:45 pm)Godschild Wrote: Actually there's no both to it, the Bible is an instruction book for Christian living and a history of why we need Christ. The Gospels tell us about our Christ and the rest of the NT is about the way we are to live as Christians and how we can tell if there's fruit on the tree.
You're right it's the business of the Christian church to determine who may be or may not be a Christian. When we refer to a person being a "true" Christian it is their basic belief we are concerned with not their denominational beliefs, all denominations that are Christian have the same basic belief, period.

GC

You think we believe atheist have deluded themselves, yes we do, you've bought into the lie Satan sold Adam and Eve. You criticize us for believing in something we can't see, yet you can't see you bought into something you can't see and you do not even realize you have.

GC

An instruction book? Which part? The part that tells you how to treat slaves? Or the part that tells you to to marry off your daughter to a rapist? Or the acts of genocide?

If you would make an honest attempt at conversation instead of trying to ridicule people for their beliefs we might be able to have a conversation but, until you can it want happen and if you do not care to have a conversation then stop answering what I post.

Quote:You have the same problem Muslims do with the Koran. To be civil you really have to ignore the nasty parts of these books. That is the part moderates and liberals of both religions don't want to face. The violent ones get their ideas of morality from the exact same books you do. Difference is they take it word for word. Your human empathy, not the book, is what allows you to skip over the nasty parts and ignore them.

I ignore none of the Bible and I do not see it as you do because I study the Bible and ask for the Holy Spirit's guidance. I know that doesn't mean anything to you and I see why, you've never experienced it, a shame really.

Quote:Our species was around long before either of these religions were invented, and even before the Hebrews which stem from polytheism. Our species has always had the ability to be cruel our compassionate. When we do good, that is coming from the empathy and caring side of our evolution. It is not coming from old books of myth.

You are right that man was around before these religions and before the Hebrews, that proves nothing and changes nothing. The Hebrews were not polytheist in the sense that they put all the gods under one umbrella. The God of creation was separate from the rest, so yes they worshiped many gods a times and, found themselves under punishment for doing so. God had formed this nation to show all people how man failed and needed a redeemer to come into a relationship with Him, through the Son He would allow to die for us. I reject evolution like you do God, so don't use that stuff with me. So you see I reject your insinuation that any people came before Adam and Eve.

GC

GC, I have a super serious few questions to ask.

1. If you are here at our forum to discuss your religion with those who don't share it, why do you never actually discuss your religion? All you do is tell us that we're wrong and you're right, over and over. Not one single criticism is met with anything but summary dismissal.

2. If you are here to introduce we benighted godless heathens to the salvation of Jesus Christ, have you ever thought for a second that you couldn't do a worse job of making it appeal to anybody who isn't already on board?

3. Since just about every single one of us makes it very plain and obvious that we have the same opinion of every religion as we do yours, what does it gain you to insist that we're all in rebellion against your specific god?

Good point. Christians are atheist against not just all current and past gods, but the infinite number of other possible gods. So you are theist to one in infinity. That's a lot closer to nought in infinity than you'd like to think.

By the way, all christians are quite welcome to pray that I go to hell, that I die, that I become a christian, anything you like. Have at it, fill your boots. Pray anything you want. I hope you get the idea: it's all make believe to us.

(January 14, 2015 at 4:28 am)robvalue Wrote: Good point. Christians are atheist against not just all current and past gods, but the infinite number of other possible gods. So you are theist to one in infinity. That's a lot closer to nought in infinity than you'd like to think.

By the way, all christians are quite welcome to pray that I go to hell, that I die, that I become a christian, anything you like. Have at it, fill your boots. Pray anything you want. I hope you get the idea: it's all make believe to us.

Cancer it is

(January 14, 2015 at 9:44 am)Drich Wrote:

(January 14, 2015 at 4:28 am)robvalue Wrote: Good point. Christians are atheist against not just all current and past gods, but the infinite number of other possible gods. So you are theist to one in infinity. That's a lot closer to nought in infinity than you'd like to think.

By the way, all christians are quite welcome to pray that I go to hell, that I die, that I become a christian, anything you like. Have at it, fill your boots. Pray anything you want. I hope you get the idea: it's all make believe to us.

Cancer it is

(January 13, 2015 at 2:17 pm)Godschild Wrote: The author of the Harry Potter series admits the books are made up, the writers of the Bible gave their lives in defense of it's truth, way big difference.

GC

And millions of Germans gave their lives defending Naziism. Does that mean its tenets true, in your mind? Why or why not?

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(January 14, 2015 at 9:44 am)Drich Wrote: Cancer it is

What a revolting cunt.

(January 14, 2015 at 12:36 pm)Parkers Tan Wrote:

(January 13, 2015 at 2:17 pm)Godschild Wrote: The author of the Harry Potter series admits the books are made up, the writers of the Bible gave their lives in defense of it's truth, way big difference.

GC

And millions of Germans gave their lives defending Naziism. Does that mean its tenets true, in your mind? Why or why not?

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(January 14, 2015 at 9:44 am)Drich Wrote: Cancer it is

What a revolting cunt.

what's good for the goose...

(January 14, 2015 at 12:48 pm)Drich Wrote:

(January 14, 2015 at 12:36 pm)Parkers Tan Wrote: And millions of Germans gave their lives defending Naziism. Does that mean its tenets true, in your mind? Why or why not?

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What a revolting cunt.

what's good for the goose...

The expression you are so ignorantly misquoting is "What's sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander." Sauce.

Whoah, a bottle of sauce just appeared in my kitchen! Maybe there is something to this.