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(January 16, 2015 at 10:02 am)Drich Wrote: Indeed! That is why they built a 100 billion dollar hadron super collider. Science needs this one unknown/unknowable particle to exist inorder for their theories to work, so based on the idea/preconception that it exists science is working backwards to make sure all their preconceptions fit.
Scientists and researchers can't just make stuff up if they intend to ask for the billions of dollars needed to build something like the LHC. They had to justify the time and expense with a lot more than "if we're wrong, it just means the particle is undetectable except by spiritual outreach. Hang on while we reinterpret our sources." And as was already pointed out, had their theories been proven wrong, they would scrap them and work with the facts at hand instead of insisting that it had to exist because the sacred Gospel of Higgs said so.
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#32
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(January 16, 2015 at 1:00 pm)Davka Wrote:
(January 16, 2015 at 12:57 pm)Exian Wrote: Different species can mate and produce fertile offspring?

Devil's advocate: sometimes, yes. Every once in a while, a mule (offspring of a horse and a donkey) comes out fertile. It's extremely rare, but it does happen.

The Bible confirms this:
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#33
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(January 16, 2015 at 10:18 am)h4ym4n Wrote: Drich, did god make the "monkey man without a soul", first, then later after the monkey men (without a soul) made cities created man in its image?

I don't know if it is god who made monkey man without soul, but look at Drich, monkey man without soul was indubitably made.
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#34
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(January 16, 2015 at 1:00 pm)Davka Wrote:
(January 16, 2015 at 12:57 pm)Exian Wrote: Different species can mate and produce fertile offspring?

Devil's advocate: sometimes, yes. Every once in a while, a mule (offspring of a horse and a donkey) comes out fertile. It's extremely rare, but it does happen.

Not the johnny mules. The mollies can be fertile, but they have to bang a horse or a donkey. But hey, we have Neanderthal DNA so I guess it's not the farthest fetched Drich has been, not even in the OP.
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#35
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I prefer geeps over mules or ligers for an example of different species mating. A geep is the popular term for the offspring of a sheep and a goat. Not only are sheep and goats separate species, but they are a separate genus with a different number of chromosomes. Sheep belong to the genus Ovis and have 54 chromosomes, while goats belong to the genus Capra and have 60 chromosomes. Sheep and Goats are genetically more different than humans and chimps. While this doesn't mean that a natural human chimp hybrid is possible it does demonstrate that the difference in human chimp chromosomes doesn't mean that it is not possible.
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#36
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(January 16, 2015 at 9:49 am)Drich Wrote: Bottom line of this theory

Sorry, what theory is that?
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#37
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You don't get to call it a theory until it's been thrown to the lions, gets shredded to pieces, but somehow walks out again. Until then it's a hypothesis.

You can also upgrade a theory to a law if you throw it to theoretical lions.
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#38
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(January 16, 2015 at 2:29 pm)Stimbo Wrote:
(January 16, 2015 at 9:49 am)Drich Wrote: Bottom line of this theory

Sorry, what theory is that?

I think he meant "theory" in the sense of "wildly irrational hypothesis."
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#39
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Now someone not on a mobile has got to post the "My theory about dinosaurs, by Anne Elk (Miss)" video.
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist.  This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair.  Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second.  That means there's a situation vacant.'
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(January 16, 2015 at 10:02 am)Drich Wrote: Indeed! That is why they built a 100 billion dollar hadron super collider. Science needs this one unknown/unknowable particle to exist inorder for their theories to work, so based on the idea/preconception that it exists science is working backwards to make sure all their preconceptions fit.

As is usual for Drich, with his bizarre idea that his limited, layman's understanding of a topic is all there has ever been regarding that topic, he evidently doesn't know that the Large Hadron Collider has multiple purposes, and was not built solely to validate the presupposition that the Higgs Boson exists. In fact, Drich's assertion that the Higgs Boson was assumed to exist is proved entirely false by the simple fact that the LHC was built to test more than one model of physics, including a number of models that don't include the Higgs Boson at all.

All this took me all of five minutes to ascertain, so it doesn't surprise me that Drich failed to do the same; in his monumental arrogance he seems to believe that nobody could ever have more information than he does. It is, of course, emblematic of the differences between how science works, and how Drich works (and as a result, believes everyone else works too):

Science: 1. Make prediction. 2. Find method to test prediction. 3. Modulate theories based on evidence gathered by tests.

Drich: 1. Make conclusion. 2. Find some hole or ignorance in current models or the bible, i.e, the "It doesn't not say that!" method. 3. If hole or ignorance exists, conclusion must be true.
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