(January 18, 2015 at 9:53 am)Davka Wrote:

(January 18, 2015 at 9:51 am)Drich Wrote: If God did not 'contact' us as promise then why do so many of us remain?

Argument from numbers.

If Buddhism is untrue, why are there so many Buddhists?
If Islam is untrue, why are there so many Muslims?
If Hinduism is untrue, why are there so many Hindus?

And so on.

An arguement by numbers makes a universal statement to the subject validity.

I asked a question about those who stay. For example
Buddhists find what they are looking for
In turn muslims find what they seek.
So do Christians. Your fault in reasoning is that you believe we are all looking for the same thing.

(January 18, 2015 at 2:27 am)Drich Wrote:

(January 17, 2015 at 1:42 pm)watchamadoodle Wrote: O.k. so you're saying that many years after Adam and Eve left the Garden of Eden, it became a desert, and the spiritual beings were no longer needed to keep humans from returning?

im saying the desert is that flaming sword, and the Angels keep that place a desert so it doesn't become a garden again.

O.k, so what do you imagine happened to the tree of life, the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, the animals, etc.?

(January 18, 2015 at 2:27 am)Drich Wrote:

(January 17, 2015 at 1:42 pm)watchamadoodle Wrote: Also I'm curious about the 7 days of creation described in Genesis 1. I suppose the man described in Genesis 1 is just the soulless homo-monkeyus?

we know that is not true because in Genesis 2 where We have been given greater detail we are told God breathed a living soul into Adam.

(January 17, 2015 at 1:42 pm)watchamadoodle Wrote: I don't see how you can read this literally, because paleontology says it took billions of years. Maybe if you imagine God moving at relativistic speeds, but why would he dictate a story for humans using times measured in a different reference frame from Earth?

i state in the OP that as per the creation account God created the garden and everything in it apart from the rest of the planet. He created the garden to reflect what earth looked like at the time of the fall so A&E would be acclimated to life outside the garden.
So to recap, God made the garden and man modern, and let the rest of the world evolve, because that's how long it would take for A&E to fall from grace.

I'm not sure I understand how you feel about the 7 days in Genesis 1. Even if you read the 7 days to be 7 long phases, the sequence is wrong. For example, vegetation appears on day 3 and the sun, moon, and stars appear on day 4.

Also, when do you imagine God created the Garden of Eden within the geological history of the Earth? Depending on how far back you go in history, the Garden of Eden might need to be a space station orbiting Earth. The Earth has been through a lot in 4 billion years.

Quote:Earth was initially molten due to extreme volcanism and frequent collisions with other bodies. Eventually, the outer layer of the planet cooled to form a solid crust when water began accumulating in the atmosphere. The Moon formed soon afterwards, possibly as the result of a Mars-sized object with about 10% of the Earth's mass impacting the planet in a glancing blow. Some of this object's mass merged with the Earth, significantly altering its internal composition, and a portion was ejected into space. Some of the material survived to form an orbiting moon. Outgassing and volcanic activity produced the primordial atmosphere. Condensing water vapor, augmented by ice delivered from comets, produced the oceans.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geological_...y_of_Earth

(January 18, 2015 at 10:21 am)Davka Wrote:

(January 18, 2015 at 10:18 am)Drich Wrote: In Genesis 2 we see that Adam was personally given a soul, when God breathed life into him. When God created all other life this did not happen.

Sorry, but "it sez so in my magic book" doesn't count.

Actually it does. Why? Because the subject matter is contained with in the pages of the 'magic book' in question therefore it becomes the sole authority. Otherwise anything discussed is little more than fan fiction.

No it doesn't. It really doesn't. If you actually care about what is true, then popularity has nothing to do with it.

Christians and Muslims can't both be right, yet by the same argument you use, they are.

If you don't care what is true, then sure, validate away.

(January 18, 2015 at 10:22 am)Davka Wrote:

(January 18, 2015 at 10:21 am)Drich Wrote: No. After the flood/Noah's ark only 'homo-gardenus' (man with a soul) lived.

You have, naturally, some extra-biblical evidence for this?

Why would I need it?

(January 18, 2015 at 11:11 am)Drich Wrote:

(January 18, 2015 at 9:53 am)Davka Wrote: Argument from numbers.

If Buddhism is untrue, why are there so many Buddhists?
If Islam is untrue, why are there so many Muslims?
If Hinduism is untrue, why are there so many Hindus?

And so on.

An arguement by numbers makes a universal statement to the subject validity.

I asked a question about those who stay. For example
Buddhists find what they are looking for
In turn muslims find what they seek.
So do Christians. Your fault in reasoning is that you believe we are all looking for the same thing.

OK, fair enough.

And your fault in reasoning is that you believe that "god" has contacted you, when in fact there is a far simpler, purely natural explanation for your experiences. I do not deny that it feels as if and seems as if god is contacting you. However, subjective experience is the worst possible yardstick with which to measure reality.

And objective evidence indicates that your subjective experiences of god are false.

http://news.sciencemag.org/health/2014/0...imself-hiv

Timothy Ray Brown is the only person to be cured of AIDS. The medical community thought an unnamed baby had been cured but sadly, the infant was not cured.

(January 18, 2015 at 10:36 am)Drich Wrote: How do I know we have souls? The bible/God says so.

Where?

(January 18, 2015 at 10:22 am)Nope Wrote: It is annoying to cut and paste on the phone. What do you mean you were cured of AIDS? Is there a newspaper article about your cure?

There are many who contracted this virus and have since been healed. In the early to mid 90's this was attributed to a bad hiv test. Now they have better tests and yet people who have been confirmed with HiV are being healed. these people are refered to as controllers and super controllers. http://www.hivcontrollers.org/hivcontrollers/

(January 18, 2015 at 11:34 am)Drich Wrote:

(January 18, 2015 at 10:22 am)Nope Wrote: It is annoying to cut and paste on the phone. What do you mean you were cured of AIDS? Is there a newspaper article about your cure?

There are many who contracted this virus and have since been healed. In the early to mid 90's this was attributed to a bad hiv test. Now they have better tests and yet people who have been confirmed with HiV are being healed. these people are refered to as controllers and super controllers. http://www.hivcontrollers.org/hivcontrollers/

This is from the first page of the site and it does not say the people were cured. If you got a bad test and it was corrected then you never had the disease so you couldn't have been cured of it. You might be thankful that the test was incorrect but you can't say that you were cured.

Quote:INTERNATIONAL HIV CONTROLLERS STUDY
The goal of the International HIV Controllers Study is to help scientists understand why some people are able to control HIV infection without the need to take any medications. These findings could assist in the development of vaccines and new therapies.