I thought it was time to get back to basics and lighten the discussions a bit so following on from my last topic of pigeons, turtles and menstruation I have another piece of choice scripture.

Introducing another long time OT favorite that stops all those naughty christian boys from knocking a sly one out, I present.......

Genesis 38:7-10 KJV

And Er, Judah's firstborn, was wicked in the sight of the Lord ; and the Lord slew him. And Judah said unto Onan, Go in unto thy brother's wife, and marry her, and raise up seed to thy brother. And Onan knew that the seed should not be his; and it came to pass, when he went in unto his brother's wife, that he spilled it on the ground, lest that he should give seed to his brother. And the thing which he did displeased the Lord : wherefore he slew him also.

Presumably the author wasn't just indecisive about what to....er.....write at the beginning and Er was actually a person. Other than that, I don't know where to start with this tripe so I hand it over to you all to disect.

(March 4, 2015 at 8:54 am)TubbyTubby Wrote: Genesis 38:7-10 KJV

And Er, Judah's firstborn, was wicked in the sight of the Lord ; and the Lord slew him.

Well, that was quick. A pretty economic solution. Saves you all the trouble with finding the lost sheep and all that hippie bullshit. Don't like someone? Murder their ass! Hey, it's in the bible, it must be true!



Oh and lest we forget: it's a metaphor. Duh.

(March 4, 2015 at 9:01 am)Norman Humann Wrote: Don't like someone? Murder their ass! Hey, it's in the bible, it must be true!

Oh and lest we forget: it's a metaphor. Duh.

I guess you're not familiar with the idea of capital punishment.

Tubby, the laws God set up specified if a man died without leaving posterity and he had a brother who was unmarried, that brother was to marry the widow and bring up children with her.
This was for the provision of the widow.
Onan refused to follow what he knew or to honor his diseased brother and wife.
He was in rebellion. Not good.
It had nothing to do with him unloading on the ground or masturbation.

(March 4, 2015 at 9:13 am)Huggy74 Wrote: I guess you're not familiar with the idea of capital punishment.

Care to elaborate on why you made that comparison? I'm not going to pretend I read more of the bible than you. What was Er's offense? Who did he murder?

The idea of capital punishment, which I'm mostly opposed to, is not murdering people because we see them as bad, it's a legal consequence of breaking the law, reserved for the heaviest crimes. Save for the countries that execute it for nonsensical offenses, like homosexuality for example, which incidentally happen to be heavily religious states.

(March 4, 2015 at 9:13 am)professor Wrote: It had nothing to do with him unloading on the ground or masturbation.

Well, that's a really strange detail to add if it's irrelevant.

(March 4, 2015 at 9:13 am)professor Wrote: Tubby, the laws God set up specified if a man died without leaving posterity and he had a brother who was unmarried, that brother was to marry the widow and bring up children with her.
This was for the provision of the widow.
Onan refused to follow what he knew or to honor his diseased brother and wife.
He was in rebellion. Not good.
It had nothing to do with him unloading on the ground or masturbation.

I see. So where does the hang up about masturbation originate?

As for gods laws, is this a standard that christians strive for?

Judge: OK Mr Smith, we've just killed your brother so you must marry his widow and support her.

Mr S: But sir, she's a bit of a lazy fat minger and to be honest, we hate each other anyway.

Judge: Sorry mate, thems the rules. Get yourself down the church and take your vows

Mr S: But please sir, I had planned to marry my lovely fiancee soon.

Judge: You leave me no choice. Take him away. Firing squad or hanging, take your pick.

(March 4, 2015 at 9:21 am)Norman Humann Wrote:

(March 4, 2015 at 9:13 am)Huggy74 Wrote: I guess you're not familiar with the idea of capital punishment.

Care to elaborate on why you made that comparison? I'm not going to pretend I read more of the bible than you. What was Er's offense? Who did he murder?

The idea of capital punishment, which I'm mostly opposed to, is not murdering people because we see them as bad, it's a legal consequence of breaking the law, reserved for the heaviest crimes. Save for the countries that execute it for nonsensical offenses, like homosexuality for example, which incidentally happen to be heavily religious states.

The Bible doesn't say what he did, just that he was "wicked". You'd have to do something pretty egregious to be referred to as wicked. Also I don't think anyone is against a proven murder getting the death penalty, it's just that a lot of errors are made in our human-run justice system, God's justice is perfect.

(March 4, 2015 at 9:54 am)Huggy74 Wrote: I don't think anyone is against a proven murder getting the death penalty,

Uh, I am. The death penalty is barbaric and ineffective at preventing crime.

(March 4, 2015 at 10:03 am)FatAndFaithless Wrote:

(March 4, 2015 at 9:54 am)Huggy74 Wrote: I don't think anyone is against a proven murder getting the death penalty,

Uh, I am. The death penalty is barbaric and ineffective at preventing crime.

Particularly a death penalty for refusing an arranged marriage.