(March 11, 2015 at 12:04 am)Surgenator Wrote:

(March 10, 2015 at 11:50 pm)Godschild Wrote: Then why wouldn't that same CO2 absorb the energy coming in before it reaches the surface, thus causing a cooling effect.

GC

The light spectrum from the sun includes energies above the infrared (heat). When these higher light rays hit the earth, the earth converts them into infrared. So some infrared light rays from the sun get directly absorbed by the CO2 in the atmosphere. You also have more infrared produced by the earth. The CO2 absorbs the infrared and it stays on the planet. Tada, get global warming.

This, but also a question for GC. Why do you think that CO2 absorbing heat on the way down would cause cooling? It is still absorbing heat.

GC, anytime you want to run an experiment yourself to see if this works just let me know and I'll tell you how. All you need is an empty aquarium, some plastic wrap to cover it, a light source, a bottle of carbonated water and a thermometer.

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(March 9, 2015 at 6:54 pm)Aractus Wrote: That's something that's going to happen anyway. There is farmland on Greenland that's been under permafrost since the middle-ages. There was once fertile land in much of the world's deserts if you back far enough - heck the Middle East seems to have no shortage of fossil oil; yet much of the land they get it from has been desert for most of human history. Clearly in the past that land was able to sustain more life than it is able to do now.

Again, if you're going to claim the world will be "screwed" you have to do better than clam that redistribution of habitable land will occur, because that's something that's been going on for billions of years. At lest the farmers on Greenland will finally get their land back!

Great argument. Eventually my neighbors house is going to deteriorate to the point where no can live there anyway so I might as well burn it down now.

A 10 foot rise in sea level (predicted by 2200) would inundate more than 28,000 square miles of the US alone. That land is currently valued at $900 billion. It is home to 13 million people. The property rights libertarian crowd should be screaming at the top of their lungs.

(March 4, 2015 at 9:09 pm)CapnAwesome Wrote: I have a question though that maybe someone more versed in this topic will know. Aren't we going to run out of fossil fuel to burn somewhat soon?

Pretty much all the catastrophes predicted by politically corrupted science have never happened. Supposedly we should have already run out of fossil fuels by now, as predicted in the early 80's. Oh, and we're all starving to death now because of the 'population bomb', predicted in the 70's. In the 50's the best science predicted another ice age.

Ironically, the proposed solutions to all these problems take the form of hippy-dippy progressive government enforced solutions. Disaster will be averted if we all recycle, install compost toilets, use public transportation, become vegetarians, and lower our standards of living back to before the industrial revolution. And if you don't, you will be made to care by our enlightened socialist masters.

(March 11, 2015 at 9:15 am)ChadWooters Wrote: Pretty much all the catastrophes predicted by politically corrupted science have never happened.

Uh..because we took heed of those warnings and took action. Predictions are about what will happen if things stay the same. Additionally, science is always tentative and changing with new data and technology, so it's not surprising that predictions update and change to current circumstances (the advent of GMO crops by Borlaug and others that changed the mass starvation predition, for example).

(March 11, 2015 at 9:15 am)ChadWooters Wrote: Supposedly we should have already run out of fossil fuels by now, as predicted in the early 80's. Oh, and we're all starving to death now because of the 'population bomb', predicted in the 70's. In the 50's the best science predicted another ice age.

Citations please, Chad?

(March 11, 2015 at 7:45 am)popeyespappy Wrote:

(March 11, 2015 at 12:04 am)Surgenator Wrote: The light spectrum from the sun includes energies above the infrared (heat). When these higher light rays hit the earth, the earth converts them into infrared. So some infrared light rays from the sun get directly absorbed by the CO2 in the atmosphere. You also have more infrared produced by the earth. The CO2 absorbs the infrared and it stays on the planet. Tada, get global warming.

This, but also a question for GC. Why do you think that CO2 absorbing heat on the way down would cause cooling? It is still absorbing heat.

GC, anytime you want to run an experiment yourself to see if this works just let me know and I'll tell you how. All you need is an empty aquarium, some plastic wrap to cover it, a light source, a bottle of carbonated water and a thermometer.

Thanks to both of you. I do believe in global warming, it's obvious. With CO2 rising into the atmosphere and the energy trap above the earth keeps it's heat from the surface, I understand the trapping effect, but with all the surface area of the atmosphere against a very cold space it seems the heat would travel into space. Energy is not bound to the earth like other things and can travel into space, heat being one form of energy why wouldn't it travel into space, heat does move to cold not visa versa.

GC

(March 11, 2015 at 3:32 pm)Godschild Wrote: I do believe in global warming, it's obvious.

Can you please enlighten your fundamentalist friends, then?

(March 11, 2015 at 9:22 am)FatAndFaithless Wrote:

(March 11, 2015 at 9:15 am)ChadWooters Wrote: Pretty much all the catastrophes predicted by politically corrupted science have never happened.

Uh..because we took heed of those warnings and took action. Predictions are about what will happen if things stay the same. Additionally, science is always tentative and changing with new data and technology, so it's not surprising that predictions update and change to current circumstances (the advent of GMO crops by Borlaug and others that changed the mass starvation predition, for example).

GMO's were never necessary, simply raising rabbits would give an unlimited supply of food, full of protein. Just sayin'.

GC

The wonderful thing about facts, Global Warming/Climate Change being one of them, is that they happen whether you believe in them or not.

(March 11, 2015 at 3:37 pm)Godschild Wrote: simply raising rabbits would give an unlimited supply of food

I...what?

(March 11, 2015 at 3:37 pm)Godschild Wrote:

(March 11, 2015 at 9:22 am)FatAndFaithless Wrote:
Uh..because we took heed of those warnings and took action. Predictions are about what will happen if things stay the same. Additionally, science is always tentative and changing with new data and technology, so it's not surprising that predictions update and change to current circumstances (the advent of GMO crops by Borlaug and others that changed the mass starvation predition, for example).

GMO's were never necessary, simply raising rabbits would give an unlimited supply of food, full of protein. Just sayin'.

GC

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