(March 22, 2015 at 10:31 am)professor Wrote: Three page with no answer and now, no urlawyer.
Guys, try to get your stuff together, lawyers are expensive.

Actually, there have been a few answers. You just seem to have chosen to ignore them, much like you choose to ignore the flaws in your paranoia-ridden conspiracy theories.

(March 22, 2015 at 10:19 am)Brian37 Wrote:

(March 22, 2015 at 10:13 am)Mr.wizard Wrote: You really cant have the new testament standing on its own. The old testament has original sin, the commandments, the prophecies, and creation, without those the new testament doesn't make any sense.

All religions do this. Cherry picking allows everyone to move the goal posts.

The thing both right wing and liberal religious people, of all religions, forget is that they use the exact same books with the exact same words to justify what really amounts to social pecking orders.

You can justify both cruelty and compassion in any holy book. It still amounts to defending tribalism putting those who dont read that book the way you do in the position of being the "other", whom at best, are guests but most of the time the "outsider".

Ya I understand that, I just mean that jesus doesn't happen without the creation of humans, the concept of sin, the prophecy, and the law to fulfill. The new testament stories don't work at all without the old testament. So if he is looking for an argument against Christians who want argue from the new testament only I think that would be a huge problem for them.

(March 22, 2015 at 9:30 am)Huggy74 Wrote: [quote='Cato' pid='904370' dateline='1427026242']
He just did!!!! What a fucking annoying shit for brains.

Quote:he did not. He just simply stated that we perceive as more valuable because that's what you're told. There is nothing backing the dollar making it the same as monopoly money.

Money has value because everyone has agreed to it, that is all.

In the game fallout bottle caps are money, in Metro last light it's bullets, shells and stones have been used as currency in the past.

I could go into detail on the lunacy that is finance but think I would be casting pearls before swine.

(March 22, 2015 at 9:30 am)Huggy74 Wrote: its quite simple, they forced people to sell off their gold which has real value in exchange for fiat currency.

Laughably wrong. Value is context-driven. Gold is valuable to industry; outside of that, gold has no more inherent value than the paper money it used to back.

(March 22, 2015 at 10:13 am)Mr.wizard Wrote: You really cant have the new testament standing on its own. The old testament has original sin, the commandments, the prophecies, and creation, without those the new testament doesn't make any sense.

Very true. This is what makes it so annoying when Christians try to pretend as though Jesus erased it from ever occurring. Jesus had the old testament and was very familiar with it. He exploited the prophecies he could, and then tried to make excuses for the ones he could not (i.e. being the son of David). The Jews still think Jesus was a liar on those counts.

I kinda see Jesus as a PR rep for God. After the old testament, God's image was in major need of a makeover. God was able to go on record as a sadistic maniac, order all the crazy things documented in Leviticus, Deuteronomy, and Exodus, and with a waive of a hand, Jesus smoothed all of that over for the Christians who continue to make excuses for behavior that is egregious even by human standards of morality. The crazy part is, Jesus reinforced all of the old crazy shit put down from God in the earlier episode, he'd never hope to gain any traction among the jews if he didn't.

“For truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass the law until all is accomplished. Whoever then relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but he who does them and teaches them shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.”


Christians have all of this IN THEIR BOOKS, and they still don't smell anything fishy! The truth is, the blatant inconsistencies that make Christianity a ridiculous ideology could not be any clearer. But such is the way of delusion...

(March 21, 2015 at 10:40 pm)Huggy74 Wrote:

(March 21, 2015 at 10:23 pm)KevinM1 Wrote: One would think the entire Jesus tale would be more than sufficient. It's a "sacrifice" without any true loss, perpetrated by god against himself in order to undo something he really should've had the power to undo without needing a blood sacrifice.

The entire underpinning of the religion is based on nonsensical crap. It should be easy enough to exploit using logic.

Something dying in order for you to live.

Yes, a nonsensical concept which you utilize everyday...

No, I don't. See, as an atheist, I don't buy into your poorly thought out fairy tales, and your piss poor attempt to be, like, deep, man with the guilt/"You may not believe in god, but god believes in you" twofer is just laughable.

C-c-c-ombo breaker!

(March 22, 2015 at 10:31 am)professor Wrote: Three page with no answer and now, no urlawyer.
Guys, try to get your stuff together, lawyers are expensive.

On the contrary, several people have pointed toward some solid arguments. Plus I don't really mind all the tangents. Any new information is a learning experience and I love to learn about pretty much everything whether it be of the bible or monopoly money.
I'm still here, I just don't say anything unless I have something of value to add.

(March 22, 2015 at 12:09 pm)The Reality Salesman Wrote:

(March 22, 2015 at 10:13 am)Mr.wizard Wrote: You really cant have the new testament standing on its own. The old testament has original sin, the commandments, the prophecies, and creation, without those the new testament doesn't make any sense.

Very true. This is what makes it so annoying when Christians try to pretend as though Jesus erased it from ever occurring. Jesus had the old testament and was very familiar with it. He exploited the prophecies he could, and then tried to make excuses for the ones he could not (i.e. being the son of David). The Jews still think Jesus was a liar on those counts.

I kinda see Jesus as a PR rep for God. After the old testament, God's image was in major need of a makeover. God was able to go on record as a sadistic maniac, order all the crazy things documented in Leviticus, Deuteronomy, and Exodus, and with a waive of a hand, Jesus smoothed all of that over for the Christians who continue to make excuses for behavior that is egregious even by human standards of morality. The crazy part is, Jesus reinforced all of the old crazy shit put down from God in the earlier episode, he'd never hope to gain any traction among the jews if he didn't.

“For truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass the law until all is accomplished. Whoever then relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but he who does them and teaches them shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.”


Christians have all of this IN THEIR BOOKS, and they still don't smell anything fishy! The truth is, the blatant inconsistencies that make Christianity a ridiculous ideology could not be any clearer. But such is the way of delusion...

Of course even if you get a Christian stuck in a logical pickle they always keep the "his ways are beyond our comprehension" trump card in their back pocket.

Mr, wizzrd, FYI- Jesus FULFILLED/ accomplished the last sacrifice of the OT.
He said so in His last words on the cross, which were subsequent to your bold printed text.

(March 22, 2015 at 11:29 am)Parkers Tan Wrote:

(March 22, 2015 at 9:30 am)Huggy74 Wrote: its quite simple, they forced people to sell off their gold which has real value in exchange for fiat currency.

Laughably wrong. Value is context-driven. Gold is valuable to industry; outside of that, gold has no more inherent value than the paper money it used to back.

You really can't be serious, gold has been valuable for thousands upon thousands of years.. It's the one thing that has ALWAYS kept it's value.

And people thumbs up this nonsense.

Like i said, if an atheist rolls his face across the keyboard, he gets a kudos.