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RE: Failure condition for god
April 7, 2015 at 1:26 pm
(April 5, 2015 at 1:40 pm)robvalue Wrote: Iro: Sure, I don't think it is either. But a Christian can literally point to a tree and say it's evidence for God. I'm saying they have set the bar so low that it can't fail.
I'm asking them to show me there is a bar.
Not only is there no bar, there are no poles put up to support a bar. Anything/everything is evidence for gawd to the faithers.
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RE: Failure condition for god
April 7, 2015 at 2:55 pm
(April 5, 2015 at 1:27 pm)Norman Humann Wrote: ...atheism?
Na I think the argument is that we need to exist so that we won't believe in him, or something...
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RE: Failure condition for god
April 10, 2015 at 3:42 am
I'll give this one more push before letting it die. So far this experiment has shown that literally anything is evidence for god, but that no one can tell me what a different universe would be like that wasn't made by god.
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RE: Failure condition for god
April 10, 2015 at 10:26 am
The failure condition is that causes become divorced from there effects and the universe collapses into nothingness.
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RE: Failure condition for god
April 10, 2015 at 11:45 am
So you are saying God is required for any cause and effect link, and also the universe would collapse without God?
What is your reasoning for this please?
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RE: Failure condition for god
April 10, 2015 at 6:04 pm
(April 10, 2015 at 11:45 am)robvalue Wrote: So you are saying God is required for any cause and effect link, and also the universe would collapse without God?
What is your reasoning for this please?
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RE: Failure condition for god
April 11, 2015 at 2:45 am
But if our universe requires something external to keep it from imploding or having no cause and effect, then what is keeping God and whatever reality he is in from imploding and having no cause and effect? That requires another external controller of some sort, yes?