Datc, I realise that you are getting a lot of responses and so may have missed my posts but could you please go back and address what I said as it does pertain to the subject at hand.

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Here i'll post it again:

Quote:No it really doesn't make sense. Assuming you are talking about a christian afterlife. You just fail to take into consideration every other religion, every other god and every other afterlife. What if you are wrong? What if, Norse mythology is the true religion and because you failed to worship Odin or kill any frost giants, you're going to get sent to the opposite of Vallaha, whatever that may be. What if the ancient greeks had it right, and because you failed to give offerings to zeus, you'll spend the rest of eternity having your nuts chewed off by cerberus while Hades is sitting there watching you and jerking off.

You haven't even thought about the possibility that you could be wrong. You haven't spent any time worrying about any other religions hells, and it's for the same reason we don't believe in yours.

datc Wrote:I find the premise implausible, again because "belief" is expressed in the process of living a life, not only morally but in its every other aspect (such as aesthetic). To the extent that it is granted, and both people are equally prepared, my opinion is that the unbeliever will gain eternal life.

Right.
So doesn't that negate the entire point of the argument right there? You literally just stated that morally good atheists are going to your heaven anyway, did you not?
Also, I second Bad Wolf's request. Why do you believe this particular version over all the other religions of the world? (I think that was what BW specifically requesting, anyway)

It is our human glory, I suppose that many of those people who (speculatively) think death is the end in their own personal lives unconsciously behave as if they did not believe it. Even some of those who claim certainty that God does not exist may refuse to "die broke."

So that's a no to my request then.

You're trying to guess at some criteria which will give you an afterlife based on nothing. What's the point?

(April 10, 2015 at 4:20 pm)robvalue Wrote: You're trying to guess at some criteria which will give you an afterlife based on nothing. What's the point?

What ever criteria it is i am still telling on the people who believe in yaweh to Odin. 

(April 10, 2015 at 4:04 pm)Iroscato Wrote:

datc Wrote:I find the premise implausible, again because "belief" is expressed in the process of living a life, not only morally but in its every other aspect (such as aesthetic). To the extent that it is granted, and both people are equally prepared, my opinion is that the unbeliever will gain eternal life.

So doesn't that negate the entire point of the argument right there? You literally just stated that morally good atheists are going to your heaven anyway, did you not?

If there are any atheists (i.e., in our wager, people who do not consciously aim for eternal life) sufficiently good (not just morally but overall) to fit themselves for such life (such as by becoming fit without explicitly trying), then they shall have it. I do not know how many such atheists there are, however.

Since I did not specify any precise conception of heaven, there is no definitive "my heaven" or "your heaven." For example, in many ways, "the kingdom of God is within you."

What I did rather is to suggest that heaven is characterized by never-ending gain in happiness. Upon entering the hereafter, we are both preserved and transcended. What in us will remain unchanged in heaven, and what will continuously improve I will not speculate. Perhaps, our personalities will be at least somewhat fixed, that is, we will not increase in either complexity or unity of character, for this soul-making happens only in this life; but our narrow happiness, defined as satisfaction of desires, whatever they are, will increase forever.

Am I fucking invisible or something!?!?

Of course, not consciously aiming for eternal life is very risky and not well-advised on Pascal's wager.