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Failure condition for god
#71
RE: Failure condition for god
(April 11, 2015 at 5:38 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: Is your experience as "I" a physical thing?

It is the OUTCOME of physical processes. I'm gonna double down on my request and upgrade it to a plea; educate yourself. Read up on these subjects before you claim divine expertise over them.
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#72
RE: Failure condition for god
(April 11, 2015 at 5:41 pm)Iroscato Wrote:
(April 11, 2015 at 5:38 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: Is your experience as "I" a physical thing?

It is the OUTCOME of physical processes. I'm gonna double down on my request and upgrade it to a plea; educate yourself. Read up on these subjects before you claim divine expertise over them.

Your avoiding the question. Is it a physical thing or not?
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#73
RE: Failure condition for god
(April 11, 2015 at 5:42 pm)MysticKnight Wrote:
(April 11, 2015 at 5:41 pm)Iroscato Wrote: It is the OUTCOME of physical processes. I'm gonna double down on my request and upgrade it to a plea; educate yourself. Read up on these subjects before you claim divine expertise over them.

Your avoiding the question. Is it a physical thing or not?

The question has been answered.   It is physical processes.
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#74
RE: Failure condition for god
(April 11, 2015 at 5:44 pm)Chas Wrote:
(April 11, 2015 at 5:42 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: Your avoiding the question. Is it a physical thing or not?

The question has been answered.   It is physical processes.

So you are saying your experience is a physical thing?
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#75
RE: Failure condition for god
(April 11, 2015 at 5:45 pm)MysticKnight Wrote:
(April 11, 2015 at 5:44 pm)Chas Wrote: The question has been answered.   It is physical processes.

So you are saying your experience is a physical thing?

Stop acting like a fucking three-year-old. It is not my fault that you don't understand straightforward answers.
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#76
RE: Failure condition for god
In my experience in university, even Atheist philosophers and professors would state our experience is non-physical, the I experience is non-physical.

But go on ahead, don't answer a simple question.
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#77
RE: Failure condition for god
(April 11, 2015 at 5:42 pm)MysticKnight Wrote:
(April 11, 2015 at 5:41 pm)Iroscato Wrote: It is the OUTCOME of physical processes. I'm gonna double down on my request and upgrade it to a plea; educate yourself. Read up on these subjects before you claim divine expertise over them.

Your avoiding the question. Is it a physical thing or not?
I literally just answered it for you. Look at the words presenting themselves for you.
If you want a mechanical anaology, it's like the memory recorded into the computer as the information streams into it. It's by no means a perfect comparison as our brains are much more complex and very different to how pc's work, but it does the job.
Our thoughts are directly created by electrical impulses going through the brain. They are influenced and shaped by our experiences. The software built into the brain can interpret these thoughts and make them more cohesive, pulling them together along with memory and instinct to form what we call consciousness.
In short, yes. It is a physical thing. We only percieve it as 'something else' because we do not fully understand how the brain works, but we're getting there. Literally NOTHING in the research so far gives even the slightest hint that our mind cannot exist without it and that consciousness is not derived from and is a physical process. If evidence presents itself that it is in fact the case, science will accept it and fundamentally change. But so far that hasn't happened.
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#78
RE: Failure condition for god
(April 11, 2015 at 5:47 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: In my experience in university, even Atheist philosophers and professors would state our experience is non-physical, the I experience is non-physical.

But go on ahead, don't answer a simple question.

Your question is simplistic, not simple.   You may as well ask if experience is blue.  Do green ideas sleep furiously?

Experience is a result of physical processes in a physical brain.
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#79
RE: Failure condition for god
(April 11, 2015 at 5:49 pm)Iroscato Wrote:
(April 11, 2015 at 5:42 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: Your avoiding the question. Is it a physical thing or not?
It is a physical thing. We only percieve it as 'something else' because we do not fully understand how the brain works, but we're getting there. 
How do you know we don't perceive it as something else, because we are a soul and that's our true existence?

This is specially since you don't fully understand how the brain works, so why make the conclusion we will one day find out it's physical?
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#80
RE: Failure condition for god
(April 11, 2015 at 6:01 pm)MysticKnight Wrote:
(April 11, 2015 at 5:49 pm)Iroscato Wrote: It is a physical thing. We only percieve it as 'something else' because we do not fully understand how the brain works, but we're getting there. 
How do you know we don't perceive it as something else, because we are a soul and that's our true existence?

Because there is no evidence of the existence of souls.
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