(April 20, 2015 at 1:37 pm)Godslayer Wrote:

(April 20, 2015 at 1:34 pm)FatAndFaithless Wrote: The old 'others have it worse so shut up' argument.  You do realize that people can both support womens' rights in the middle east and concentrate on domestic issues?  

While I disagree with a lot of the stuff that comes out of PZ Meyers and his circles, even considering some of it inane and useless, your response is just...just vapid really.

That's not my argument at all, more gibberish. The point is, these 3rd waver feminists dwell on shit like video games while women are actually oppressed in the world, like the middle east, but what do these so-called social justice warriors do the women there? nothing,they will advocate their culture over their misogynistic practices.

That's exactly your argument.

"These nasty feminist SJW's are so shitty, because they don't help anyone that's really oppressed, they just complain about inconsequential shit."

And many feminists do help (or try, anyway) the women in truly horrific circumstances in the world. I'm not sure where you're getting this 'feminism is entirely comprised of this specific type of whiny SJW self-centered hiveminded idiots' from, but it sounds a lot like theists painting all atheists with the same brush because they went on r/atheism a few times.

(April 20, 2015 at 1:39 pm)Dystopia Wrote: If you are so concerned why the fuck are you here instead of giving money to organizations that support ending sexism in the middle east? In fact, why don't you go there and help people?
BTW, do you know that there's feminist women there fighting and being killed for equality, right? It's not really a monolithic. What do you mean with the middle east exactly? What latitude and longitude do you even use to define the middle east?

Why aren't feminists pooling all their money together to end actual patriarchy in the middle east? bunch of self-centered victim complex having westerners.

(April 20, 2015 at 1:41 pm)Godslayer Wrote:

(April 20, 2015 at 1:39 pm)Dystopia Wrote: If you are so concerned why the fuck are you here instead of giving money to organizations that support ending sexism in the middle east? In fact, why don't you go there and help people?
BTW, do you know that there's feminist women there fighting and being killed for equality, right? It's not really a monolithic. What do you mean with the middle east exactly? What latitude and longitude do you even use to define the middle east?

Why aren't feminists pooling all their money together to end actual patriarchy in the middle east? bunch of self-centered victim complex having westerners.

They are.

(April 20, 2015 at 1:41 pm)FatAndFaithless Wrote:

(April 20, 2015 at 1:37 pm)Godslayer Wrote: That's not my argument at all, more gibberish. The point is, these 3rd waver feminists dwell on shit like video games while women are actually oppressed in the world, like the middle east, but what do these so-called social justice warriors do the women there? nothing,they will advocate their culture over their misogynistic practices.

That's exactly your argument.  
"These nasty feminist SJW's are so shitty, because they don't help anyone that's really oppressed, they just complain about inconsequential shit."
And many feminists do help (or try, anyway) the women in truly horrific circumstances in the world.  I'm not sure where you're getting this 'feminism is entirely comprised of this specific type of whiny SJW self-centered hiveminded idiots' from, but it sounds a lot like theists painting all atheists with the same brush because they went on r/atheism a few times.

Do the feminists care about the men's oppression or do they just chalk that up to other men being the problem? hmm...

I forget the part someone nominated you god to proclaim women have it perfectly good. I know for a fact women don't have it easy because I've met lots of them and listened to their problems, I've listened to instances of sexism, misogyny, I've checked the number of unreported rapes, I've checked how politicians try to pass laws to control women's bodies, I've checked how weak my country's policy is fighting domestic violence, I've bothered to check the exploitation against women in prostitution (illegal) and pornography studios, etc - So - Are you a sociologist? Why should I honestly trust your opinion? In fact, why should anyone believe any that you're saying considering the internet is populated by trolls?

I actually explained what concepts and movements mean and you simply stated that you're right because you think so and haven't bothered to check or do some research. That's a great method of remaining ignorant of the rest of the world.

(April 20, 2015 at 1:43 pm)Godslayer Wrote:

(April 20, 2015 at 1:41 pm)FatAndFaithless Wrote: That's exactly your argument.  
"These nasty feminist SJW's are so shitty, because they don't help anyone that's really oppressed, they just complain about inconsequential shit."
And many feminists do help (or try, anyway) the women in truly horrific circumstances in the world.  I'm not sure where you're getting this 'feminism is entirely comprised of this specific type of whiny SJW self-centered hiveminded idiots' from, but it sounds a lot like theists painting all atheists with the same brush because they went on r/atheism a few times.

Do the feminists care about the men's oppression or do they just chalk that up to other men being the problem? hmm...

What? You brought up oppressed women in the Middle East and then ask if they're also helping the men in the middle east?

(April 20, 2015 at 1:42 pm)FatAndFaithless Wrote:

(April 20, 2015 at 1:41 pm)Godslayer Wrote: Why aren't feminists pooling all their money together to end actual patriarchy in the middle east? bunch of self-centered victim complex having westerners.

They are.

Well lot of good their doing, plenty of men and women killed in the middle east for crimes that shouldn't exist.

(April 20, 2015 at 1:43 pm)Godslayer Wrote: Do the feminists care about the men's oppression?

Yes. They care about how strict gender roles hurt men.

Quote:Do the feminists care about the men's oppression or do they just chalk that up to other men being the problem? hmm..

Men aren't oppressed anywhere in the world buddy, you still have it easier (and I do as well) - and even if that was true, feminists don't have to care because it's a movement for women and always was, just like cancer institutes don't care about auto-immunes. If you mean men's problems - yeah you can find articles on the internet if you bother to search a little

(April 20, 2015 at 1:44 pm)Godslayer Wrote:

(April 20, 2015 at 1:42 pm)FatAndFaithless Wrote: They are.

Well lot of good their doing, plenty of men and women killed in the middle east for crimes that shouldn't exist.

Go fuck yourself. I thought you cared about helping people?

First you belittle 'feminists' as a whole for not trying to help the oppressed women in the middle east. There are plenty of organizations and agencies and rights groups doing that very thing. But your retort now is 'yeah well things still suck'.

The hell does that add to the conversation?