Again..just plastering scripture on an atheist forum is no way to actually provide evidence for your statements.

(May 20, 2015 at 4:13 pm)Randy Carson Wrote:

(May 20, 2015 at 9:47 am)Faith No More Wrote: You have to justify why the world is so shitty somehow.

I think I posted this previously, but here it is again in response to your question:

18 The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of people, who suppress the truth by their wickedness, 19 since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. 20 For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.

21 For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22 Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools 23 and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like a mortal human being and birds and animals and reptiles.

24 Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. 25 They exchanged the truth about God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen.


26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. 27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.
28 Furthermore, just as they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, so God gave them over to a depraved mind, so that they do what ought not to be done. 29 They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips, 30 slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents; 31 they have no understanding, no fidelity, no love, no mercy.32 Although they know God’s righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GDe_WXKM860

Christianity, especially Catholicism, is a quasi-cult of slavish people with dysfunctional views towards human sexuality, and in some cases, mentally ill perverts and barely literate sociopaths (with the occasionally sincere, well adjusted, but deluded & indoctrinated adherent) ... all of whom lack the fortitude to deal with reality.

It is indeed disheartening and frightening to deal honestly with our mortality, especially for weak minds. Religion only wins in an environment of authoritarianism, lack of quality education, and a good dose of misery always helps mold the sheeple towards the absurdity of religion.

So Mr. Catholic, I have nothing to ask you. You and your ilk have nothing to offer me or this world. 

(May 20, 2015 at 11:02 am)pocaracas Wrote:

(May 20, 2015 at 9:39 am)Randy Carson Wrote: The calculator is faster than a human, but God would not have to do the calculation. He knows the answer before you ask the question because he knows what you are going to ask before you do.

God doesn't "think" at all. He knows. There is no moment of discovery or arrival at a conclusion for God.

Your question was about "a creator god". I merely used the analogy I have for any creator thing - man as creator of machines that do some work.
If man can create something superior to himself, why not a god?

Because God is infinite. Infinite +1 is simply infinity, and if such a being could be created by the merely infinite being, then the being known as infinity +1 would be God. Is this really useful?

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(May 20, 2015 at 9:39 am)Randy Carson Wrote: Hmmm...hard to imagine how the greater thing is brought into being by the lesser.

Can your "creator god" create another creator god or two? Two creator gods would be greater than just one, yes?
That's one way.

Actually, with a bit of tweaking, you may be close to understanding the Trinity - to some degree, anyway. This requires some explanation, so hopefully, my post will be permitted. All that follows is material from Catholic Answers.

The Trinity is one of the most difficult realities to comprehend but it might be a helpful start to recognize the distinction between a “being” and a “person.”

God is one Being (the one and only divine Being). This divine Being exists as three Persons (Father, Son, and Holy Spirit). This is unusual to us because each human being is only one person and it might seem that every being has to be one person: one being = one person.

But that’s simply not always the case. For example, a dog is a being but is not a person. A tree is a being but is not a person. In these cases, one being = zero persons. On the other hand, an angel is a being and is a person. In their case, angelic beings are similar to human beings: one being = one person.

Once you recognize that not every being is always exactly one person, it might be easier to grasp God’s unique reality, the Trinity: one Being = three Persons.

In Catholic theology, we understand the persons of the Blessed Trinity subsisting within the inner life of God to be truly distinct relationally, but not as a matter of essence, or nature. Each of the three persons in the godhead possesses the same eternal and infinite divine nature; thus, they are the one, true God in essence or nature, not “three Gods.” Yet, they are truly distinct in their relations to each other.

In order to understand the concept of person in God, we have to understand its foundation in the processions and relations within the inner life of God. And the Council of Florence, AD 1338-1445, can help us in this regard.

The Council’s definitions concerning the Trinity are really as easy as one, two, three… four. It taught there is one nature in God, and that there are two processions, three persons, and four relations that constitute the Blessed Trinity. The Son “proceeds” from the Father, and the Holy Spirit “proceeds from the Father and the Son.” These are the two processions in God. And these are foundational to the four relations that constitute the three persons in God. These are those four eternal relations in God:

1. The Father actively and eternally generates the Son, constituting the person of God, the Father.

2. The Son is passively generated of the Father, which constitutes the person of the Son.

3. The Father and the Son actively spirate the Holy Spirit in the one relation within the inner life of God that does not constitute a person. It does not do so because the Father and Son are already constituted as persons in relation to each other in the first two relations. This is why CCC 240 teaches, “[The Second Person of the Blessed Trinity] is Son only in relation to his Father.”

4. The Holy Spirit is passively spirated of the Father and the Son, constituting the person of the Holy Spirit.

We should take note of the distinction between the "generative" procession that consititutes the Son, and the "spirative" procession that constitutes the Holy Spirit. As St. Thomas Aquinas explains, and Scripture reveals, the Son is uniquely "begotten" of the Father (cf. John 3:16; 1:18). He is also said to proceed from the Father as "the Word" in John 1:1. This "generative" procession is one of "begetting," but not in the same way a dog "begets" a dog, or a human being "begets" a human being. This is an intellectual "begetting," and fittingly so, as a "word" proceeds from the knower while, at the same time remaining in the knower. Thus, this procession or begetting of the Son occurs within the inner life of God. There are not "two beings" involved; rather, two persons relationally distinct, while ever-remaining one in being.

The Holy Spirit proceeds from the Father and the Son, but not in a generative sense; rather, in a spiration. "Spiration" comes from the Latin word for "spirit" or "breath." Jesus "breathed on them, and said to them, "Receive the Holy Spirit..." (John 20:22). Scripture reveals the Holy Spirit as pertaining to "God's love [that] has been poured into our hearts" in Romans 5:5, and as flowing out of and identified with the reciprocating love of the Father for the Son and the Son for the Father (John 15:26; Rev. 22:1-2). Thus, the Holy Spirit's procession is not intellecual and generative, but has its origin in God's will and in the ultimate act of the will, which is love.

As an infinite act of love between the Father and Son, this "act" is so perfect and infinite that "it" becomes (not in time, of course, but eternally) a "He" in the third person of the Blessed Trinity. This revelation of God's love personified is the foundation from which Scripture could reveal to us that "God is love" (I John 4:8).

God is not revealed to "be" love in any other religion in the world other than Christianity because in order for there to be love, there must be a beloved. From all eternity, the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit have poured themselves out into each other in an infinite act of love, which we, as Christians, are called to experience through faith and the sacraments by which we are lifted up into that very love of God itself (Romans 5:1-5).

It is the love of God that binds us, heals us, and makes us children of God (I John 4:7; Matt. 5:44-45). Thus, how fitting it is that the Holy Spirit is depicted in Revelation 22:1-2, as a river of life flowing out from the Father and the Son and bringing life to all by way of bringing life to the very "tree of life" that is the source of eternal life in the the Book of Revelation (Rev. 22:19).

I'll work on the rest of your post later...

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(May 20, 2015 at 2:50 pm)Iroscato Wrote: Still waiting on a proper answer to my question, Randy...

My apologies. I forgot to logoff before going to work; I haven't actually been online all day.

What was your question?

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(May 20, 2015 at 3:46 pm)francismjenkins Wrote:

(May 15, 2015 at 6:46 pm)Randy Carson Wrote: Because it is true. 

Prove it (and no sophistic drivel about the value of faith and the emptiness of empiricism or whatever crap your kooky theologians and creepy clerics are floating these days) 

That's one of my other threads.

The US is the last remaining western country where religious idiots aren't publicly flogged (metaphorically speaking) for their idiocy. It's so bad in the US that religious circus freaks get to parade around with smug arrogance when defending the absurdity of their magical sky daddy (under the impression that reading their buybull makes them qualified shrinks). You people deserve no deference, and religion should be mocked for its affront to rationality and intellectualism at every opportunity. If doctors had churches, we'd still be doing blood transfusions with leeches. 

No gods, no masters, brick by brick, wall by wall, we will make your bullshit fall 

(May 20, 2015 at 3:48 pm)FatAndFaithless Wrote: The gulf is great enough that your version of God has failed to convince the vast majority of people on earth, it seems.

Actually, the vast majority of people on earth are theists and a majority of those are monotheists. So, yeah.

He's given Christians the task of making disciples of all nations, and despite what you read on the Interweb, substantial progress has been made.

(May 20, 2015 at 4:33 pm)Randy Carson Wrote: Because God is infinite.

This is known as an unsubstantiated claim which renders what follows meaningless.

(May 20, 2015 at 3:49 pm)FatAndFaithless Wrote: So, even if it doesn't make any logical sense to us and we can easily think of ways to improve his methods or 'plan', you just say "God knows best" and expect that to be an actual answer to our objections?

If you spent anytime on it all, you might be able to reason your way to seeing why His way IS best.

Let me know what you come up with.

Religious "nones" now outnumber Catholics in the US.

#millennialsrising

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/danthropolo...in-the-us/

(May 20, 2015 at 4:24 pm)rexbeccarox Wrote:

(May 20, 2015 at 4:13 pm)Randy Carson Wrote: I think I posted this previously, but here it is again in response to your question:

18 The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of people, who suppress the truth by their wickedness, 19 since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. 20 For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.

21 For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22 Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools 23 and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like a mortal human being and birds and animals and reptiles.

24 Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. 25 They exchanged the truth about God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen.


26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. 27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.
28 Furthermore, just as they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, so God gave them over to a depraved mind, so that they do what ought not to be done. 29 They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips, 30 slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents; 31 they have no understanding, no fidelity, no love, no mercy.32 Although they know God’s righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them.

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Go for it.

I gave a scripture-based answer to a direct question. Since this is the Christianity sub-forum, I think I really ought to be allowed to explain my faith using my scriptures. The question and answer related to the Christian worldview.

Now, if you would rather just ban me rather than see the word of God posted in your forum, knock yourself out.

But your heavy-handedness in this regard gives the appearance that you are afraid of being confronted by the truth of God's Word. If God does not exist, then meaningless Bible verses shouldn't trouble you in the least. But they do, don't they?

And be honest, if I were an atheist, you wouldn't give a damn what I posted as long as it fit your personal belief system.

So, either I defend my faith my way, or you can ban me and go back to telling yourselves that you really showed another Christian what for.

I'm happy either way.

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(May 20, 2015 at 4:42 pm)francismjenkins Wrote: The US is the last remaining western country where religious idiots aren't publicly flogged (metaphorically speaking) for their idiocy. It's so bad in the US that religious circus freaks get to parade around with smug arrogance when defending the absurdity of their magical sky daddy (under the impression that reading their buybull makes them qualified shrinks). You people deserve no deference, and religion should be mocked for its affront to rationality and intellectualism at every opportunity. If doctors had churches, we'd still be doing blood transfusions with leeches. 

No gods, no masters, brick by brick, wall by wall, we will make your bullshit fall 

Heh...after you eliminate all the Christians, you will have to deal with the Muslims.

And dude, they do NOT turn the other cheek. Good luck with that.