(June 11, 2015 at 9:00 am)Drich Wrote: To show the OP what a backwards socialist like state he lives in.

Actually that is the case and my argument lest you forget. The OP is indeed able to not hire a Christian based on the prejudice he may have against the legitmate practices of that religion and that in His backwards monkey society is ok.

You don't seem to understand the argument monkey man... In a good and decent Human society their are laws that tell companies who want to strip an indivisual of any right he or she may have to be different than every other drone that they are not allowed to discriminate against people due to their race, Religion, or gender. In this case discrimination would include an unrealistic demand for a worker to work on a holy day when in fact it is not the companies expectation that any of it's workers be made to work 12 hours a day 7 days a week. (as their is a max of 48 hours work week in the UK)http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom_labour_law
to say 8 of those hours must be spent on a Sunday out of a 168 hour week is intentionaly targeting Christians.

That's how we do it in 'Merica. (and that is how it is supposed to be done in the UK as well https://www.gov.uk/discrimination-your-r...on-at-work ) But in a monkey society where the mob rules/Pop culture is king. Christianity has fallen out of fashion. In fact in that part of the world it has become fashionable to hate anything Christian. Therefore it IS Indeed OK For the OP and His country to discriminate against religious people. Particually Christians.

Again in the US and in the UK according to the Laws of Man it is discrimination.. but in your monkey/pop culture society, the OP is a 'hero' for not hiring the Christian.

3. Discrimination at work

The law protects you against discrimination at work, including:
dismissal
employment terms and conditions
pay and benefits
promotion and transfer opportunities
training
recruitment
redundancy

Some forms of discrimination are only allowed if they’re needed for the way the organisation works, eg:
a Roman Catholic school restricting applications for admission of pupils to Catholics only
employing only women in a health centre for Muslim women

ooops I guess you didn't bother looking up the laws in the OP's country either..

How many times do you need to hear it?

They need her to work on Sundays. It's necessary for the business. All the other religious people hired there have no trouble at all with not having their sacred day off. Hiring her would be discriminatory towards them.

Stop conflating the debate on whether employers should have the right to discriminate with this particular case, in which there is no discrimination. To the contrary, it's avoided by applying the same standard to all religious employees-no sacred day off, period.

And what the fuck does pop culture have to do with it out of all things?

Nobody is calling the OP a hero. Most people here simply agree the decision was reasonable and just towards all employees.

Quote:And what the fuck does pop culture have to do with it out of all things?

I think what he means is that the temporal laws of man have super-ceded the universal laws of God, but there's more than one group of people that claim to know the will of God, how could you prioritize one over the other without creating conflict? This is why the laws of man should always come before the laws of God, and also God doesn't exist, so there's that too

(June 11, 2015 at 9:00 am)Drich Wrote:

(June 10, 2015 at 3:41 pm)Neimenovic Wrote: I don't know why you're bringing up American law, since the OP is British.

To show the OP what a backwards socialist like state he lives in.

Perhaps I misread your other posts but I thought you weren't wild about the USA, Drich? 

If Christians get special rights then so do  the  followers of all religions.Someone asked how you would feel about a Muslim who refuses to cut ham in a deli? Would you be okay with a teacher wearing a Palad Khik around her neck while she is teaching students?

Quote:The Palad Khik, as a phallic representation of Shiva, is also an animistic symbol of fertility. It is not uncommon in Thailand to see a penis amulet hanging on a convenience store a restaurant, or even being sold by old women on the street. Although outsiders may regard these as offensive, ordinary Thais are deeply superstitious and lucky charms and talismans are still regarded as important. [3]

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palad_khik

Under UK law if they can demonstrate a business case then it's fine.

I have an employment lawyer friend who I asked about this exact topic. Her reply was that it is a little bit of a grey area, but the business is more likely to win any court case.

(June 11, 2015 at 12:03 pm)FreeTony Wrote: Under UK law if they can demonstrate a business case then it's fine.

I have an employment lawyer friend who I asked about this exact topic. Her reply was that it is a little bit of a grey area, but the business is more likely to win any court case.

There are many exemptions in the law.

It is perfectly legal for example for an indian restaurant to only hire Indians as it is in keeping with the expectations of the business.

It is entirely legal for a womans gym to only hire female staff. (there are several women only gyms around here).

And if you can't do the job because of your religion then you don't get the job. The law is there to enforce equality not stupidity.

For the record, Drich is wrong about American discrimination laws.  Those laws don't come into play if someone cannot meet the requirements of the job itself.  If the job description clearly states "Must work weekends," the company is not compelled to hire a person that can't work weekends due to their religious beliefs.  To suggest otherwise is idiotic (which is par for the course with Drich).  Otherwise, man, it'd be great if I could apply for a manual labor job, and get the job, but force the company to hire someone else to do the job because, aww shucks, I'm in a wheelchair.

And before you attempt to argue the legal aspects, know that my oldest brother is a lawyer.  So you can, you know, go fuck yourself.

Quote:Would you be okay with a teacher wearing a Palad Khik around her neck while she is teaching students?

Why isn't this a thing already? There should be a wave of teachers doing this to undermine the RFRA laws in America, that would be both hilarious and persuasive

It would only be discrimination on religious grounds if they were not hired because of their religion, whereas they would otherwise have been hired. That is clearly not the case here. A person of any religion, or of no religion turning up and expecting not to work the days required would be turned away. Hence not discrimination on religious grounds, or any grounds. It's simply hiring people who are prepared to do the job they are applying for.

What kind of business can run with people who aren't prepared to do their job?

And Drich, the UK is NOT a socialist state. Just look at our very recent election results for further evidence of this.

Again, the continued misrepresentation is becoming tiring but is also completely understood in light of the poster.

Just to clarify, none of what occurred was discrimination in any sense of the word.