(June 23, 2015 at 9:57 pm)professor Wrote: Gotta hand it to you Stimbo, you are consistantly bright.
What is an autocomplete list?

Anyway, in the end, all will have been tested.
 Lucifer and the dingbat buddies of his failed their test.
We are living in our own test, and even in the Millennium Restoration, where life will be heavenly, it's end will be in a time of testing.

Beccs, when someone has an abundance of power, an expanse of distance or time, is a minor concern.
The concern is the result.
And we ain't there yet.

I have never received a coherent response from a Christian as to why, an omniscient being would need to 'test' anyone.

As I asked earlier in this thread, does anything happen that is not a part of God's plan?

If so, then he is not omniscient. If not, then he has no reason to test, since he already knows the outcome.

If there is another option, please let me know.

(June 24, 2015 at 6:21 pm)Simon Moon Wrote:

(June 23, 2015 at 9:57 pm)professor Wrote: Gotta hand it to you Stimbo, you are consistantly bright.
What is an autocomplete list?

Anyway, in the end, all will have been tested.
 Lucifer and the dingbat buddies of his failed their test.
We are living in our own test, and even in the Millennium Restoration, where life will be heavenly, it's end will be in a time of testing.

Beccs, when someone has an abundance of power, an expanse of distance or time, is a minor concern.
The concern is the result.
And we ain't there yet.

I have never received a coherent response from a Christian as to why, an omniscient being would need to 'test' anyone.

As I asked earlier in this thread, does anything happen that is not a part of God's plan?

If so, then he is not omniscient. If not, then he has no reason to test, since he already knows the outcome.

If there is another option, please let me know.

Moreover, tests are done in order to prepare the person taking the test for something in the future.  They're created to gauge our ability to apply previously learned material in a setting divorced from most real life consequences (except for the grades themselves).  Yet, by all accounts, the afterlife is a state of being so completely different from what we know, that any tests given here cannot have any impact on anything there.

Good character is wasted in paradise, and eternal, persistent torture doesn't afford one the opportunity to change.

(June 24, 2015 at 1:44 am)SnakeOilWarrior Wrote:

(June 23, 2015 at 2:56 pm)Godschild Wrote: You can give purpose to your life, I have no doubt of that. However God will give greater purpose to one's life, I know this personally.

GC

If you know it to be true, showing us the evidence for  it shouldn't be difficult.

Or, is this going to be another of those "personal testimony" things that prove precisely nothing?

I never see you giving evidence when you make claims against God but, I'll give you one. Before returning to a participating role and worship in church I smoked a lot. I had never been able to quit, over the many years I tried, no success. I gave it another shot one day and this time I was able to quit, wasn't sure how, it just happened. Well it wasn't very long before I returned to church, no more smoking, drinking or drugs, but only a halfhearted effort. The longer I went the more involved I became, not that I wanted to but because the church asked me to take certain roles or jobs in the church. I guess I should mention here before going own that I knew no one at this church when I started going there. With in a year I was asked to lead the youth group, as a teacher and within one and a half years was voted in as a deacon to the church, didn't feel like I was ready for this great responsibility and did everything I knew to get shed of it. To no avail, God was working so that I could have these jobs, to help those who were in need and to guide the churches children in study and character. After I had been the youth leader for awhile I realized that God had helped me to stop smoking so I could be a good example before the kids, I was as happy as I've ever been, God given purpose to help others and be blessed while doing something so enjoyable. None of this would have ever been possible on my own, why, I gave the answer earlier, I didn't want it.

GC

(June 24, 2015 at 10:45 pm)Godschild Wrote:

(June 24, 2015 at 1:44 am)SnakeOilWarrior Wrote: If you know it to be true, showing us the evidence for  it shouldn't be difficult.

Or, is this going to be another of those "personal testimony" things that prove precisely nothing?

I never see you giving evidence when you make claims against God but, I'll give you one. Before returning to a participating role and worship in church I smoked a lot. I had never been able to quit, over the many years I tried, no success. I gave it another shot one day and this time I was able to quit, wasn't sure how, it just happened. Well it wasn't very long before I returned to church, no more smoking, drinking or drugs, but only a halfhearted effort. The longer I went the more involved I became, not that I wanted to but because the church asked me to take certain roles or jobs in the church. I guess I should mention here before going own that I knew no one at this church when I started going there. With in a year I was asked to lead the youth group, as a teacher and within one and a half years was voted in as a deacon to the church, didn't feel like I was ready for this great responsibility and did everything I knew to get shed of it. To no avail, God was working so that I could have these jobs, to help those who were in need and to guide the churches children in study and character. After I had been the youth leader for awhile I realized that God had helped me to stop smoking so I could be a good example before the kids, I was as happy as I've ever been, God given purpose to help others and be blessed while doing something so enjoyable. None of this would have ever been possible on my own, why, I gave the answer earlier, I didn't want it.

GC

I've never claimed there is no gawd. I bear no burden no matter how much you like shifting it.

You quit smoking. Something many people do every day. This is "another of those 'personal testimony' things that prove precisely nothing." Where's the evidence?!? What's that? You've got none? Thanks for playing.

(June 24, 2015 at 11:34 pm)SnakeOilWarrior Wrote:

(June 24, 2015 at 10:45 pm)Godschild Wrote: I never see you giving evidence when you make claims against God but, I'll give you one. Before returning to a participating role and worship in church I smoked a lot. I had never been able to quit, over the many years I tried, no success. I gave it another shot one day and this time I was able to quit, wasn't sure how, it just happened. Well it wasn't very long before I returned to church, no more smoking, drinking or drugs, but only a halfhearted effort. The longer I went the more involved I became, not that I wanted to but because the church asked me to take certain roles or jobs in the church. I guess I should mention here before going own that I knew no one at this church when I started going there. With in a year I was asked to lead the youth group, as a teacher and within one and a half years was voted in as a deacon to the church, didn't feel like I was ready for this great responsibility and did everything I knew to get shed of it. To no avail, God was working so that I could have these jobs, to help those who were in need and to guide the churches children in study and character. After I had been the youth leader for awhile I realized that God had helped me to stop smoking so I could be a good example before the kids, I was as happy as I've ever been, God given purpose to help others and be blessed while doing something so enjoyable. None of this would have ever been possible on my own, why, I gave the answer earlier, I didn't want it.

GC

I've never claimed there is no gawd. I bear no burden no matter how much you like shifting it.

You quit smoking. Something many people do every day. This is "another of those 'personal testimony' things that prove precisely nothing." Where's the evidence?!? What's that? You've got none? Thanks for playing.

I've often wondered if you were blind, thanks for confirming you are.

GC

(June 24, 2015 at 11:55 pm)Godschild Wrote:

(June 24, 2015 at 11:34 pm)SnakeOilWarrior Wrote: I've never claimed there is no gawd. I bear no burden no matter how much you like shifting it.

You quit smoking. Something many people do every day. This is "another of those 'personal testimony' things that prove precisely nothing." Where's the evidence?!? What's that? You've got none? Thanks for playing.

I've often wondered if you were blind, thanks for confirming you are.

GC

Says the guy who dismisses evolution out of hand in favor of shit that cannot be proven. Maybe I am blind, GC. But, at least I'm not willfully ignorant like you.

(June 24, 2015 at 11:55 pm)Godschild Wrote:

(June 24, 2015 at 11:34 pm)SnakeOilWarrior Wrote: You quit smoking. Something many people do every day. This is "another of those 'personal testimony' things that prove precisely nothing." Where's the evidence?!? What's that? You've got none? Thanks for playing.

I've often wondered if you were blind, thanks for confirming you are.

GC

What was it that guy said again...

(June 22, 2015 at 4:52 pm)Godschild Wrote: You're making a claim that you know something and yet haven't brought evidence that it's true, please do so.

That was it.

(June 25, 2015 at 12:15 am)SnakeOilWarrior Wrote:

(June 24, 2015 at 11:55 pm)Godschild Wrote: I've often wondered if you were blind, thanks for confirming you are.

GC

Says the guy who dismisses evolution out of hand in favor of shit that cannot be proven. Maybe I am blind, GC. But, at least I'm not willfully ignorant like you.

You want to tell me why blood cells have been found in a T-rex. Blood cells set out on a lab desk will become nearly nothing in a few weeks, yet an animal that died millions of years ago have blood cells. Even the evolution scientist who have investigated this are completely confounded. What about soft tissue that's been found in dinosaur fossils supposedly millions of years old, tell me how is that even possible and you can forget the iron preservation, that has been proven invalid. 

GC

(June 25, 2015 at 10:20 am)Godschild Wrote:

(June 25, 2015 at 12:15 am)SnakeOilWarrior Wrote: Says the guy who dismisses evolution out of hand in favor of shit that cannot be proven. Maybe I am blind, GC. But, at least I'm not willfully ignorant like you.

You want to tell me why blood cells have been found in a T-rex. Blood cells set out on a lab desk will become nearly nothing in a few weeks, yet an animal that died millions of years ago have blood cells. Even the evolution scientist who have investigated this are completely confounded. What about soft tissue that's been found in dinosaur fossils supposedly millions of years old, tell me how is that even possible and you can forget the iron preservation, that has been proven invalid. 

GC

What the fuck are you babbling about?

Creationist Claim CC371.

Responses:

1. Schweitzer et al. did not find hemoglobin or red blood cells. Rather, they found evidence of degraded hemoglobin fragments and structures that might represent altered blood remnants. They emphasizd repeatedly that even those results were tentative, that the chemicals and structures may be from geological processes and contamination (Schweitzer and Horner 1999; Schweitzer and Staedter 1997; Schweitzer et al. 1997a, 1997b). The bone is exceptionally well preserved, so much so that it may contain some organic material from the original dinosaur, but the preservation should not be exaggerated.

2. The bone that Schweitzer and her colleagues studied was fossilized, but it was not altered by "permineralization or other diagenetic effects" (Schweitzer et al. 1997b). Permineralization is the filling of the bone's open parts with minerals; diagenetic effects include alterations like cracking. Schweitzer commented that the bone was "not completely fossilized" (Schweitzer and Staedter 1997, 35), but lack of permineralization does not mean unfossilized.

3. An ancient age of the bone is supported by the (nonradiometric) amino racemization dating technique.

4. Soft tissues have been found on fossils tens of thousands of years old, and DNA has been recovered from samples more than 300,000 years old (Stokstad 2003; Willerslev et al. 2003). If dinosaur fossils were as young as creationists claim, recovering DNA and non-bone tissues from them should be routine enough that it would not be news.