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Fate and Religion
September 29, 2010 at 11:11 am
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How do you define fate and how would you separate it from religion?
I, personally, don't think there's any bloody difference... apart from how it's a shit load more subtle. I've noticed a few of my apatheist friends are fixated with fate and how it governs their lives. Apatheism, of course, is the name for people who don't give a fuck about anything to do with God and religion and what it means to them. Yet some find meaning in something else; Fate.
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RE: Fate and Religion
September 29, 2010 at 11:18 am
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RE: Fate and Religion
September 29, 2010 at 11:19 am
apt.....
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RE: Fate and Religion
September 29, 2010 at 12:55 pm
(September 29, 2010 at 11:11 am)Scott Richens Wrote: How do you define fate and how would you separate it from religion?
I, personally, don't think there's any bloody difference... apart from how it's a shit load more subtle. I've noticed a few of my apatheist friends are fixated with fate and how it governs their lives. Apatheism, of course, is the name for people who don't give a fuck about anything to do with God and religion and what it means to them. Yet some find meaning in something else; Fate.
Do they also read their horoscopes, that is a sticky superstition isnt it.
The fact is people see patterns where none exists, they mistake coincidences for fate and or divine plans.
(Divine plans would seem to contradict free will but never mind.)
So once again we find religion and superstition being remarkably similar I wonder why?
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RE: Fate and Religion
September 30, 2010 at 5:04 pm
Hypothetical Q + A
Q.
Why have I been fired from my job, and why is my old boss now sleeping with my wife?
Christian A.
"Because god wills it"
or
"God moves in mysterious ways"
Atheist
A.
"That's horrible, you should do something about it. After all, we control our own lives, don't we?
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RE: Fate and Religion
October 1, 2010 at 6:46 am
Fate is intertwined with religious philosophy. It all depends on this notion that there is design to the universe, that things happen according to the plan of some one or some thing pulling the strings on everything. It's an absurd conclusion based on wishful thinking. We seek reason for events and circumstances, we meet someone we want to spend our lives with and decide that it was only through divine purpose that it happened, and not that it simply ended up that way. Very juvenile.
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"Atheism leaves a man to sense, to philosophy, to natural piety, to laws, to reputation; all of which may be guides to an outward moral virtue, even if religion vanished; but religious superstition dismounts all these and erects an absolute monarchy in the minds of men." – Francis Bacon
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RE: Fate and Religion
October 8, 2010 at 2:04 am
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I have asked the same question, is there such thing as fate? I was talking to my Hindu friend and I told her I thought fate was a load of rubbish but the more I think of it, the more real it is. Is it luck we were born where we are or is it fate?
Quote:Christian A.
"Because god wills it"
or
"God moves in mysterious ways"
Ummmm no. But I will give you ten points for giving it ago.
Its ok to have doubt, just dont let that doubt become the answers.
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RE: Fate and Religion
October 8, 2010 at 2:23 am
(September 29, 2010 at 11:11 am)Scott Richens Wrote: How do you define fate and how would you separate it from religion?
I, personally, don't think there's any bloody difference... apart from how it's a shit load more subtle. I've noticed a few of my apatheist friends are fixated with fate and how it governs their lives. Apatheism, of course, is the name for people who don't give a fuck about anything to do with God and religion and what it means to them. Yet some find meaning in something else; Fate.
There are secular and religious views on fate.
Religious ones obviously have to do with predestiny in the sense that god knows our beginning as well as our end and everything in between as well as less simplistic views on the matter.
The more secular/non-religious views on fate isn't nearly as prominant in our everyday lives beyond our view of what time is and can be extraordinarily complicated. For example, the idea of the grandfather paradox touches on this in this and there are enormous implications as to the control we could have on our own future even in our daily lives. The good parts of the terminator franchise is absolutely all about this (that is, the first two movies and the short-lived TV series.)
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RE: Fate and Religion
October 8, 2010 at 5:16 am
That God knows what's coming has no correlation whatsoever with a Christian submitting to fate. ALL anti superstitious (and I count Christians as less superstitious than atheists) consider fate to be fairytale.
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RE: Fate and Religion
October 8, 2010 at 8:40 am
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(October 8, 2010 at 5:16 am)fr0d0 Wrote: (and I count Christians as less superstitious than atheists)
 
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