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July 5, 2015 at 8:48 pm
Your religion is sick! Rationalizing rape, murder etc., to be overall good is the epitome of delusion.
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RE: Ask a Catholic
July 5, 2015 at 8:52 pm
(July 5, 2015 at 8:48 pm)IATIA Wrote: Your religion is sick! Rationalizing rape, murder etc., to be overall good is the epitome of delusion.
Did anyone say that rape and murder are good?
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RE: Ask a Catholic
July 5, 2015 at 8:52 pm
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(July 5, 2015 at 8:42 pm)Randy Carson Wrote: However, I have yet to see anyone propose how a world in which all suffering is eliminated without also eliminating our free will would actually function. Merely saying that "God ought to be able to figure it out" eliminates our need to think deeply, and it also overlooks the very real possibility that the way things are IS what God figured out.
A guy goes to rape some girl and his dick falls off, he is paralyzed for a minute and the girl kicks him in the balls, punches him in the sternum, kicks him while he is down, then runs off. No free will fucked with. 
Need more help for your idiot god?
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RE: Ask a Catholic
July 5, 2015 at 8:53 pm
If the Catholic God is my creator, didn't he create me so I can't swivel my head around 360 degrees? How is that not imposing on my free will?
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July 5, 2015 at 8:53 pm
(July 5, 2015 at 8:42 pm)Randy Carson Wrote: (July 5, 2015 at 8:23 pm)Mr.wizard Wrote: That wasn't really my point though, my point was in regard to god intervening in any instance. Your logic was if god stops one rape the he has to get involved in all of our problems. So does he not answer prayer? Because if he answers one prayer, lets say to cure a person from cancer then he would be obligated to get involved in all of our problems.
As a Christian, I'm perfectly at peace (though not always content) with the idea that God prevents some rapes, cures some cancer, and answers some prayers even though I know that this means the converse is also true.
As an atheist, you are NOT at peace with this because you want ALL rape, ALL cancer and (presumably) ALL prayer answered. When you don't get your way, you deny that God exists because an all-knowing, all-loving and all-powerful God would be able to prevent pain and suffering. But pain and suffering exist so...
My response is simply that WE are not in a position to know whether God has sufficiently good reasons for allowing pain and suffering, so this is not the proof of God's non-existence that so many think that it is. Further, we have no way of judging the "butterfly effect" of any of these actions whereas God does and is more than capable of bringing the maximum amount of good out of any and all situations - no matter how horrific.
However, I have yet to see anyone propose how a world in which all suffering is eliminated without also eliminating our free will would actually function. Merely saying that "God ought to be able to figure it out" eliminates our need to think deeply, and it also overlooks the very real possibility that the way things are IS what God figured out.
No, my being an atheist has nothing to do with me not getting my way with god, I don't believe god exists at all and that is really why he doesn't stop rape and murder. It is pretty twisted that your the one who actually believes this garbage and your the one who is at peace with a god who lets rape and murder take place.
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RE: Ask a Catholic
July 5, 2015 at 8:55 pm
(July 5, 2015 at 8:52 pm)IATIA Wrote: (July 5, 2015 at 8:42 pm)Randy Carson Wrote: However, I have yet to see anyone propose how a world in which all suffering is eliminated without also eliminating our free will would actually function. Merely saying that "God ought to be able to figure it out" eliminates our need to think deeply, and it also overlooks the very real possibility that the way things are IS what God figured out.
A guy goes to rape some girl and his dick falls off, he is paralyzed for a minute and the girl kicks him in the balls, punches him in the sternum, kicks him while he is down, then runs off. No free will fucked with.
Need more help for your idiot god?
Well according to Randy, god would be interfering with the rapists free will, how sick is that.
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RE: Ask a Catholic
July 5, 2015 at 8:55 pm
(July 5, 2015 at 8:52 pm)Randy Carson Wrote: (July 5, 2015 at 8:48 pm)IATIA Wrote: Your religion is sick! Rationalizing rape, murder etc., to be overall good is the epitome of delusion.
Did anyone say that rape and murder are good?
(July 5, 2015 at 8:42 pm)Randy Carson Wrote: ... God has sufficiently good reasons for allowing pain and suffering, so this is not the proof of God's non-existence that so many think that it is. Further, we have no way of judging the "butterfly effect" of any of these actions whereas God does and is more than capable of bringing the maximum amount of good out of any and all situations - no matter how horrific.
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RE: Ask a Catholic
July 5, 2015 at 8:59 pm
(July 5, 2015 at 8:55 pm)Mr.wizard Wrote: (July 5, 2015 at 8:52 pm)IATIA Wrote: A guy goes to rape some girl and his dick falls off, he is paralyzed for a minute and the girl kicks him in the balls, punches him in the sternum, kicks him while he is down, then runs off. No free will fucked with.
Need more help for your idiot god?
Well according to Randy, god would be interfering with the rapists free will, how sick is that.
The rapist still has free will. He just lost his dick and got his ass kicked. His free will was very much intact. He could want to rape, he could want his dick not to fall off and he could want to not get his ass kicked. C'est la vie.
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RE: Ask a Catholic
July 5, 2015 at 9:01 pm
(July 5, 2015 at 8:59 pm)IATIA Wrote: (July 5, 2015 at 8:55 pm)Mr.wizard Wrote: Well according to Randy, god would be interfering with the rapists free will, how sick is that.
The rapist still has free will. He just lost his dick and got his ass kicked. His free will was very much intact. He could want to rape, he could want his dick not to fall off and he could want to not get his ass kicked. C'est la vie.
Lol, ya good point.
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Ask a Catholic
July 5, 2015 at 9:04 pm
(July 5, 2015 at 8:42 pm)Randy Carson Wrote: As an atheist, you are NOT at peace with this because you want ALL rape, ALL cancer and (presumably) ALL prayer answered. When you don't get your way, you deny that God exists because an all-knowing, all-loving and all-powerful God would be able to prevent pain and suffering.
No that's not how it works. Atheists don't deny that God exists due to his perceived inaction. We simply realize that God is a figment of the imagination. It's nothing more than that.
Quote:However, I have yet to see anyone propose how a world in which all suffering is eliminated without also eliminating our free will would actually function.
Well what about heaven? It could work like that. See that was easy to figure out.
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