(July 5, 2015 at 12:05 am)robvalue Wrote: Jesus could have eradicated the very concept of "the poor" by continually providing everyone with everything they need, forever.

But then they wouldn't need him anymore, would they?

Well, he does love rich people, which is probably why he craps on poor people.

(July 4, 2015 at 11:35 pm)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote:

(July 4, 2015 at 10:25 pm)Jenny A Wrote: No he was a communist pinko pacifist.  He thought you should give everything to the poor.  Catch a conservative republican doing that.  Or turning the other cheek for that matter.   The patriotic Christians just skip that part.

Jesus never gave the poor anything.  When he had the opportunity to do so he told his disciples that he needed it more than the poor did.  So he kept it for himself.  

He also said that he would toss people into the fire for not believing in him.  So he comes across as a cheapskate meanie.

That is not quite true, as he supposedly fed the multitude with the bread and fish that he magically generated.  But your point is well taken, in that there is also the story of the perfume or oil that was used on him.  I guess Jesus liked to primp and preen.

(July 5, 2015 at 12:32 pm)Pyrrho Wrote:

(July 4, 2015 at 11:35 pm)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote: Jesus never gave the poor anything.  When he had the opportunity to do so he told his disciples that he needed it more than the poor did.  So he kept it for himself.  

He also said that he would toss people into the fire for not believing in him.  So he comes across as a cheapskate meanie.

That is not quite true, as he supposedly fed the multitude with the bread and fish that he magically generated.  But your point is well taken, in that there is also the story of the perfume or oil that was used on him.  I guess Jesus liked to primp and preen.

The two stories about the loaves and fish are about the power of sharing and hospitality.  Each person in the crowds had their own food but it was bad manners to eat without offering food to others even if it meant that you didn't have any left over for yourself.  

Jesus had his minions walk out into the crowds with their stinky fish and stale bread and offer it to the people.  Since each person had his own eats tucked away in his dusty robe he couldn't take their so he pulled his own food out and joined the minions in offering it to others.  The process spread through the crowd and once people saw what was happening they all pulled out their eats.  When it was over everyone had enough to eat and there was some left over.  

No one was going to go out into the wilds to listen to some guy flap his jaws without taking something to eat.  They just didn't want to share it with the dummy who didn't bring his own food.  But everyone packed his own lunch.

There are numerous stories in the Bible about food and the rules of hospitality.  The stories about the fish and loaves illustrate the principle.

(July 6, 2015 at 1:03 am)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote: The two stories about the loaves and fish are about the power of sharing and hospitality.  Each person in the crowds had their own food but it was bad manners to eat without offering food to others even if it meant that you didn't have any left over for yourself.  

Jesus had his minions walk out into the crowds with their stinky fish and stale bread and offer it to the people.  Since each person had his own eats tucked away in his dusty robe he couldn't take their so he pulled his own food out and joined the minions in offering it to others.  The process spread through the crowd and once people saw what was happening they all pulled out their eats.  When it was over everyone had enough to eat and there was some left over.  

No one was going to go out into the wilds to listen to some guy flap his jaws without taking something to eat.  They just didn't want to share it with the dummy who didn't bring his own food.  But everyone packed his own lunch.

There are numerous stories in the Bible about food and the rules of hospitality.  The stories about the fish and loaves illustrate the principle.

Do you ever tire of being demonstrably wrong?!?

Jesus feeds 5,000 Matthew 14:13-21 - Matthew 14:13-21

According to the story, jeebus was told that because it was getting late, he should send the crowds away so they could go and buy some food.

(July 5, 2015 at 12:05 am)robvalue Wrote: Jesus could have eradicated the very concept of "the poor" by continually providing everyone with everything they need, forever.

But then they wouldn't need him anymore, would they?

Rob, is it possible that the God of the OT is the "real" god and his $currency$ is in "prayer". But because he is so demanding of worship, the prayers he receives daily is not even enough to get him out of bed in the morning.  That's why it only "seems" like he doesn't exist! We're just not trying hard enough, therefore not worthy ... I'm cool with that.

(July 6, 2015 at 2:53 am)SnakeOilWarrior Wrote:

(July 6, 2015 at 1:03 am)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote: The two stories about the loaves and fish are about the power of sharing and hospitality.  Each person in the crowds had their own food but it was bad manners to eat without offering food to others even if it meant that you didn't have any left over for yourself.  

Jesus had his minions walk out into the crowds with their stinky fish and stale bread and offer it to the people.  Since each person had his own eats tucked away in his dusty robe he couldn't take their so he pulled his own food out and joined the minions in offering it to others.  The process spread through the crowd and once people saw what was happening they all pulled out their eats.  When it was over everyone had enough to eat and there was some left over.  

No one was going to go out into the wilds to listen to some guy flap his jaws without taking something to eat.  They just didn't want to share it with the dummy who didn't bring his own food.  But everyone packed his own lunch.

There are numerous stories in the Bible about food and the rules of hospitality.  The stories about the fish and loaves illustrate the principle.

Do you ever tire of being demonstrably wrong?!?

Jesus feeds 5,000 Matthew 14:13-21 - Matthew 14:13-21

According to the story, jeebus was told that because it was getting late, he should send the crowds away so they could go and buy some food.

Are you forgetting that Jesus was supposed to have been God?  Why wouldn't he know Jewish hospitality rules?  He knew that the cheapskates had food with them and that they didn't want to share it.  So he had his minions got out among the crowd with their lunch to show the cheapskates that it was OK to for the them to uncover their own food.  The result was that everyone had enough to eat because it's human nature to take food with you when going out into the wilds.  Even the crazy old coot Abraham gave Hagar and Ishmael a crust of bread and a quart of water when he kicked them out into the desert to die.

(July 7, 2015 at 1:06 am)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote:

(July 6, 2015 at 2:53 am)SnakeOilWarrior Wrote: Do you ever tire of being demonstrably wrong?!?

Jesus feeds 5,000 Matthew 14:13-21 - Matthew 14:13-21

According to the story, jeebus was told that because it was getting late, he should send the crowds away so they could go and buy some food.

Are you forgetting that Jesus was supposed to have been God?  Why wouldn't he know Jewish hospitality rules?  He knew that the cheapskates had food with them and that they didn't want to share it.  So he had his minions got out among the crowd with their lunch to show the cheapskates that it was OK to for the them to uncover their own food.  The result was that everyone had enough to eat because it's human nature to take food with you when going out into the wilds.  Even the crazy old coot Abraham gave Hagar and Ishmael a crust of bread and a quart of water when he kicked them out into the desert to die.

Evidence for your assertions?!? Your say-so isn't enough.

(July 7, 2015 at 7:14 pm)SnakeOilWarrior Wrote:

(July 7, 2015 at 1:06 am)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote: Are you forgetting that Jesus was supposed to have been God?  Why wouldn't he know Jewish hospitality rules?  He knew that the cheapskates had food with them and that they didn't want to share it.  So he had his minions got out among the crowd with their lunch to show the cheapskates that it was OK to for the them to uncover their own food.  The result was that everyone had enough to eat because it's human nature to take food with you when going out into the wilds.  Even the crazy old coot Abraham gave Hagar and Ishmael a crust of bread and a quart of water when he kicked them out into the desert to die.

Evidence for your assertions?!? Your say-so isn't enough.

The holy ghost told me.  You should read the fairy tale for yourself and reach your own conclusions.  We are supposed to be intelligent people who are capable of doing our own analyses.  Why do you need an authority figure to tell you what to think about something you say you don't believe in?  I'm sure that someone in the over 43,000 different sects will agree with me.

Like I thought. You're just pulling shit outta your ass.

He said the holy ghost told him. So check to see if he's been struck down by lightning. If he hasn't then he's telling the truth.

No matter what the Bible actually says, it's always open to reinterpretation by those who're guided by the holy ghost.