(May 15, 2015 at 5:11 pm)Randy Carson Wrote: I'm a Catholic. You have questions. Let's get started.

How would you raise your kids? Would you choose their religious views for them or would you let them grow up unspoiled and decide for themselves what they wanna believe?

(July 7, 2015 at 9:39 pm)Mr.wizard Wrote: Randy quote

"All of humanity is the result of previous rapes at some time or another.  So if there had never been any rapes chances are we would never exist.  We are here now because our ancestors were the rapers and the raped.  If there was never another rape from this second on that would still be true for the people in the distant future. "

Quote:So your saying rape is good? It was all part of god's plan, so you finally admit your god condones rape?

That was my comment, not Randy's.  What I'm saying is that we exist because of what other people did, good or bad.  If we think that some behaviors are despicable we may refrain from doing them ourselves but countless other people did them in the past, so we exist as a result of their actions.  Was it a good thing that one of your distant maternal ancestors was raped and had a child whose descendants resulted in you and your children?  If you could go back in time and save her from being raped would you even though it means that your mother or father and you and your children and grandchildren would never exist?  Or would you let her get raped so that you could all exist?

(July 8, 2015 at 3:50 am)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote:

(July 7, 2015 at 9:39 pm)Mr.wizard Wrote: Randy quote

"All of humanity is the result of previous rapes at some time or another.  So if there had never been any rapes chances are we would never exist.  We are here now because our ancestors were the rapers and the raped.  If there was never another rape from this second on that would still be true for the people in the distant future. "

Quote:So your saying rape is good? It was all part of god's plan, so you finally admit your god condones rape?

That was my comment, not Randy's.  What I'm saying is that we exist because of what other people did, good or bad.  If we think that some behaviors are despicable we may refrain from doing them ourselves but countless other people did them in the past, so we exist as a result of their actions.  Was it a good thing that one of your distant maternal ancestors was raped and had a child whose descendants resulted in you and your children?  If you could go back in time and save her from being raped would you even though it means that your mother or father and you and your children and grandchildren would never exist?  Or would you let her get raped so that you could all exist?

First let me say SORRY RANDY, I misquoted you!!!!

Well your asking me to choose between one rape and the entire extinction of my bloodline, this is hardly the dilemma an all knowing all powerful god would of encountered.

(July 7, 2015 at 9:39 pm)Mr.wizard Wrote:

Quote:Randy quote

"All of humanity is the result of previous rapes at some time or another.  So if there had never been any rapes chances are we would never exist.  We are here now because our ancestors were the rapers and the raped.  If there was never another rape from this second on that would still be true for the people in the distant future. "

So your saying rape is good? It was all part of god's plan, so you finally admit your god condones rape?

Could you please tell me what post # you are trying to quote? Thanks.

(July 8, 2015 at 3:31 am)Atheist_BG Wrote:

(May 15, 2015 at 5:11 pm)Randy Carson Wrote: I'm a Catholic. You have questions. Let's get started.

How would you raise your kids? Would you choose their religious views for them or would you let them grow up unspoiled and decide for themselves what they wanna believe?

Like any parent, I taught them what I thought was true.

However, after they reached the age of 15 or so, I did not require them to attend mass with my wife and me.

Thus far, they have not chosen to attend on their own. I went through that phase myself when I was in my teens.

(July 8, 2015 at 3:50 am)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote:

(July 7, 2015 at 9:39 pm)Mr.wizard Wrote: Randy quote

"All of humanity is the result of previous rapes at some time or another.  So if there had never been any rapes chances are we would never exist.  We are here now because our ancestors were the rapers and the raped.  If there was never another rape from this second on that would still be true for the people in the distant future. "

Quote:So your saying rape is good? It was all part of god's plan, so you finally admit your god condones rape?

That was my comment, not Randy's. [emphasis added]  What I'm saying is that we exist because of what other people did, good or bad.  If we think that some behaviors are despicable we may refrain from doing them ourselves but countless other people did them in the past, so we exist as a result of their actions.  Was it a good thing that one of your distant maternal ancestors was raped and had a child whose descendants resulted in you and your children?  If you could go back in time and save her from being raped would you even though it means that your mother or father and you and your children and grandchildren would never exist?  Or would you let her get raped so that you could all exist?

I was beginning to wonder what I had written!

(July 8, 2015 at 5:53 am)Mr.wizard Wrote:

(July 8, 2015 at 3:50 am)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote: That was my comment, not Randy's.  What I'm saying is that we exist because of what other people did, good or bad.  If we think that some behaviors are despicable we may refrain from doing them ourselves but countless other people did them in the past, so we exist as a result of their actions.  Was it a good thing that one of your distant maternal ancestors was raped and had a child whose descendants resulted in you and your children?  If you could go back in time and save her from being raped would you even though it means that your mother or father and you and your children and grandchildren would never exist?  Or would you let her get raped so that you could all exist?

First let me say SORRY RANDY, I misquoted you!!!!

I...I'll be okay...I just need a minute...

(July 8, 2015 at 10:05 pm)Randy Carson Wrote: Like any parent, I taught them what I thought was true.

No, not like any parent. I'm a parent too, and I didn't train him to be atheist. I didn't "teach" him what I thought to be true. I did answer his questions, without pulling any punches, just as his mother did. Just so you know, at that time his mother was Catholic.

He came to his atheism on his own, because I taught him how to smell bullshit.

And his mother converted to atheist Buddhism, more as a result of cancer causing her to doubt your god's goodness than anything else.

(July 8, 2015 at 10:05 pm)Randy Carson Wrote: However, after they reached the age of 15 or so, I did not require them to attend mass with my wife and me.

Translation: I didn't teach them what I thought was true; I shopped that out to the guy I follow blindly like a sheep.[/i]

(July 8, 2015 at 10:05 pm)Randy Carson Wrote: Thus far, they have not chosen to attend on their own. I went through that phase myself when I was in my teens.

How odd that you cannot even convince your own children of the truth of your beliefs ... and good for them. Maybe they will escape the harness that has stultified your life.

Parkers, I have you on ignore because I do not appreciate your language and your abuse. I decided to read this post on a whim. Or was it the Holy Spirit?

I will respond this once, but don't get used to it. I probably won't read your reply.

(July 8, 2015 at 10:29 pm)Parkers Tan Wrote:

(July 8, 2015 at 10:05 pm)Randy Carson Wrote: Like any parent, I taught them what I thought was true.

No, not like any parent. I'm a parent too, and I didn't train him to be atheist. I didn't "teach" him what I thought to be true.  I did answer his questions, without pulling any punches, just as his mother did. Just so you know, at that time his mother was Catholic.

He came to his atheism on his own, because I taught him how to smell bullshit.

And his mother converted to atheist Buddhism, more as a result of cancer causing her to doubt your god's goodness than anything else.

IOW, your kids saw no real faith in their dad. You taught them by your example of NOT believing.

Quote:

(July 8, 2015 at 10:05 pm)Randy Carson Wrote: However, after they reached the age of 15 or so, I did not require them to attend mass with my wife and me.

Translation: I didn't teach them what I thought was true; I shopped that out to the guy I follow blindly like a sheep.[/i]

Uh, no, Parkers. I didn't say that I didn't teach them or that I shopped it out. I said I no longer require them to go. But they have been taught and I continue to speak about God when appropriate. But I don't beat them over the head with religion or hell like some in this forum claim to have experienced.

What, no props for that?

(July 8, 2015 at 10:05 pm)Randy Carson Wrote:

Quote:Thus far, they have not chosen to attend on their own. I went through that phase myself when I was in my teens.

How odd that you cannot even convince your own children of the truth of your beliefs ... and good for them.  Maybe they will escape the harness that has stultified your life.

Your hatred has such control over you that you cannot help saying truly stupid things.

How do you know that my kids don't believe in God, Parkers? Have you spoken with any of them? Or is it more a matter of wanting to sleep in on Sunday morning like most sleep-deprived teenagers?

I'm letting them make their own decisions, Parkers. They know where I stand. Only time will tell where they stand, and I'm praying for them in the meantime.

Oh, and you, too. Every time I go to mass. But while you get my intercession, you get no more of my time.

Your loss.

I doubt he's going to lose any sleep ^^