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RE: Reality doesn't exist until we observe it.
July 13, 2015 at 12:22 am
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(July 13, 2015 at 12:18 am)BrokenQuill92 Wrote: Isn't this a bit solipsistic? The universe exist out of our experiences. That's like saying color doesn't exist because I can't see.
I think I go back to Hume on this.
You can't show that color does exist without you, but you can act as if it does. We all do.
There are other senses humans don't have; bees see ultraviolet, bats echolocate, sharks sense electromuscular activity.
At least we infer that they have these senses from their behavior. But there could be others as well.
How do we know how many other senses exist?
We don't.
So do they exist or not?
So how, exactly, does God know that She's NOT a brain in a vat? 
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RE: Reality doesn't exist until we observe it.
July 13, 2015 at 12:30 am
(July 13, 2015 at 12:22 am)JuliaL Wrote: (July 13, 2015 at 12:18 am)BrokenQuill92 Wrote: Isn't this a bit solipsistic? The universe exist out of our experiences. That's like saying color doesn't exist because I can't see.
I think I go back to Hume on this.
You can't show that color does exist without you, but you can act as if it does. We all do.
There are other senses humans don't have; bees see ultraviolet, bats echolocate, sharks sense electromuscular activity.
At least we infer that they have these senses from their behavior. But there could be others as well.
How do we know how many other senses exist?
We don't.
So do they exist or not?
You have convinced me, nothing exists, even if we perceive it.
"A wise man ... proportions his belief to the evidence."
— David Hume, An Enquiry Concerning Human Understanding, Section X, Part I.
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RE: Reality doesn't exist until we observe it.
July 13, 2015 at 12:31 am
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(July 13, 2015 at 12:21 am)Pyrrho Wrote: (July 12, 2015 at 11:39 pm)ignoramus Wrote: Don't know about you guys, but I'm a simulation of a brain in a virtual vat. On another planet.
You are all NPC's in my customised VR. Do you think that is real Oxygen you are breathing! 
Well, at least you exist, unlike me. I am just a figment of your fevered imagination. You really should see your doctor about this problem you are having with hallucinations.
Support ticket#2 to the VR admins.
The integrity of your underlying hardware is deteriorating rapidly.
Even the non- existent entities are talking to me now! What doI do? Urgent!
I'd help you with your hardware issues, but I'm stuck in this VR world, sorry.
You know how hard sandboxes are to break.
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RE: Reality doesn't exist until we observe it.
July 13, 2015 at 12:37 am
(July 13, 2015 at 12:21 am)Pyrrho Wrote: (July 12, 2015 at 11:39 pm)ignoramus Wrote: Don't know about you guys, but I'm a simulation of a brain in a virtual vat. On another planet.
You are all NPC's in my customised VR. Do you think that is real Oxygen you are breathing!
Well, at least you exist, unlike me. I am just a figment of your fevered imagination. You really should see your doctor about this problem you are having with hallucinations.
Stop thinking i exist please creator that is all i wish
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RE: Reality doesn't exist until we observe it.
July 13, 2015 at 12:39 am
(July 13, 2015 at 12:37 am)dyresand Wrote: (July 13, 2015 at 12:21 am)Pyrrho Wrote: Well, at least you exist, unlike me. I am just a figment of your fevered imagination. You really should see your doctor about this problem you are having with hallucinations.
Stop thinking i exist please creator that is all i wish
You don't exist, so stop posting nonsense!
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July 13, 2015 at 12:39 am
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RE: Reality doesn't exist until we observe it.
July 13, 2015 at 12:44 am
The findings themselves are very um.... interesting and unsettling to say the least..
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RE: Reality doesn't exist until we observe it.
July 13, 2015 at 12:45 am
(July 13, 2015 at 12:30 am)Pyrrho Wrote: You have convinced me, nothing exists, even if we perceive it.
So how, exactly, does God know that She's NOT a brain in a vat?
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RE: Reality doesn't exist until we observe it.
July 13, 2015 at 12:59 am
(July 13, 2015 at 12:39 am)dyresand Wrote: But all joking aside here a link(s) to what i am hinting at.
http://www.gizmag.com/quantum-theory-reality-anu/37866/
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/a...ok-it.html
https://www.physicsforums.com/threads/do...er.452817/
ALEX!!!!!!
But really, isn't this the same problem as the double slit experiment?
I don't know if it is because I can't do the math and can't be current on the topic.
I thought there was an equivocation problem with the word observation in that the popular media thought it meant somebody actually looking and the physicists thought it meant 'interacted with some other wave.'
If I remember correctly, the observation issue with the double slit thing was covered by the 'sum over histories' formulation and that 'observing' at one slit eliminated all the paths that didn't go through the observed slit. This includes paths that go backwards in time (Wheeler's delayed choice.)
I'm not sure the popular media (e.g. Daily Mail) has the background or motivation to offer cogent analysis.
I'm not even sure the physicists do.
The world isn't just stranger than I imagine, it is stranger than I can imagine.
So how, exactly, does God know that She's NOT a brain in a vat?
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RE: Reality doesn't exist until we observe it.
July 13, 2015 at 1:37 am
Some scientist once said: the deeper you look, the more complicated it becomes.
Some other religio said: This is as far as God wants us to go.
My take is : we are hitting the boundaries of the VR sandbox.
The day we prove we are in a VR is the day we break free from it...
Not even sure if we will like what we find.
There have been many blows to mankind's ego over the centuries.
This one may be the most humbling....
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